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    You give an inch and they take a mile...

    July 3, 2012


    California, the battleground state for the arguments for and against same-sex marriage, is now considering an unconventional law that would allow children to be legally granted more than two parents.

    The bill -- SB1476 -- would apply equally to men and women, and to homosexual or heterosexual relationships. Proposed by State Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, it has passed the Senate and awaits an Assembly vote.
    Leno cites the evolving American family, which includes surrogacy arrangements, same-sex marriages and reproductive techniques that involve multiple individuals.
    "The bill brings California into the 21st century, recognizing that there are more than 'Ozzie and Harriet' families today," Leno told the Sacramento Bee, which first reported the story. Leno told ABCNews.com that he recognized a "problem" in the legal system in 2011 when an appellate court placed a girl in foster care when her legally married parents -- two lesbians -- could not care for her. The child was taken into state custody when one of her mothers was jailed and the nonbiological mother was hospitalized.

    The court did not have the authority to appoint the girl's biological father, with whom she had a relationship, as a legal parent. That third parent could have "benefitted the well-being of the child," said Leno.

    "We are not touching the definition of a parent under the current law," said Leno. "When a judge recognizes that a child is likely to find his or her way into foster care and if there is an existing parent who qualifies as a legal parent, why not have the law when it is required to protect the well-being of the child?"




    Parents would have to qualify under all legal standards and agree on custody, visitation and child support before a judge could divide up responsibilities. Several other states, including Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maine and the District of Columbia, recognize more than two parents.

    "Most children have at most two parents, but some children have more than two people in their lives who have been a child's parent in every way," says Leno in his fact sheet on the bill. "For example, a child raised from birth by a biological mother and a non-biological father may also have a relationship with his or her biological father.
    "In such a situation, the child may consider both adults in the home to be parents, as well as his or her biological father. In such a case, it may be in the child's best interests to have a legally protected relationship with all three of the parental figures in his or her life."
    Glenn T. Stanton, director of Global Family Formation Studies for the conservative group Focus on the Family, argues that the bill appears to advocate for children's rights, but in reality gives adults legal protection to create "radical families."
    "We hear all this celebratory talk about 'new families,' but there is no sociological, psychological or medical data showing any of these new family forms have served to the elevate the general physical, mental, educational or developmental well-being of children in any meaningful way," said Stanton.
    "That job is best done for children by their own mother and father," he said.
    But Leno argues that a new law would address more than just same-sex families, including one in which a man raises a nonbiological child with a woman, but the child also has a relationship with the biological father.
    A lesbian couple, for example, might also want to include a male friend who provided sperm for the conception of their child as a legal parent.Leno maintains that it is in the best interest of a child to designate multiple parents to provide financial support, health insurance and other state benefits.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/GMAHeal...ry?id=16705628

    Wait a sec.. taken to the next level this could be a great thing regarding child support disbursements and reasons not to date or cohabitate with a single mom. It's in the "best interests of the child" to spread CS across all involved parties. Hmm...sounds familiar.
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    Seems to me that children are increasingly seen as some sort of merchandise...

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    An annuity is any continuing payment with a fixed total annual amount. Like a mortgage and property tax. So who really loses here?

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    I can see it now: HEADLINE
    Single mom, after 5 years of multiple long term relationships, now receives CS payments from 3 different betas (men? ha).

    Of course the CS wouldnt split between all of them, it would just triple because its whats BEST for the CHILD hahaha

    reason 2494 i go my own way

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    California bill would allow a child to have more than two parents

    Only in Cali..........

    California bill would allow a child to have more than two parents

    By Jim Sanders
    jsanders@sacbee.com

    Published: Monday, Jul. 2, 2012 - 12:00 am | Page 1A

    Last Modified: Monday, Jul. 2, 2012 - 4:23 pm


    Beaver had June and Ward.

    Ricky had Ozzie and Harriet.

    Mom and Dad, same-sex couples or blended families, California law is clear: No more than two legal parents per child.

    When adults fight over parenthood, a judge must decide which two have that right and responsibility – but that could end soon.

    State Sen. Mark Leno is pushing legislation to allow a child to have multiple parents.

    "The bill brings California into the 21st century, recognizing that there are more than Ozzie and Harriet families today," the San Francisco Democrat said.

    Surrogate births, same-sex parenthood and assisted reproduction are changing society by creating new possibilities for nontraditional households and relationships.

    Benjamin Lopez, legislative analyst for the Traditional Values Coalition, blasted Leno's bill as a new attempt to "revamp, redefine and muddy the waters" of family structure by a leader in the drive to legalize gay marriage.

    "It comes as no surprise that he would try to say that a child has more than two parents – that's absurd," said Lopez, whose group calls itself a leading voice for Bible-based values.

    Under Leno's bill, if three or more people who acted as parents could not agree on custody, visitation and child support, a judge could split those things up among them.

    SB 1476 is not meant to expand the definition of who can qualify as a parent, only to eliminate the limit of two per child.

    Under current law, a parent can be a man who signs a voluntary declaration of paternity, for example. It also can be a man who was married and living with a child's mother, or who took a baby into his home and represented the infant as his own.

    Leno's bill, which has passed the Senate and is now in the Assembly, would apply equally to men or women, and to straight or gay couples.

    Examples of three-parent relationships that could be affected by SB 1476 include:

    • A family in which a man began dating a woman while she was pregnant, then raised that child with her for seven years. The youth also had a parental relationship with the biological father.

    • A same-sex couple who asked a close male friend to help them conceive, then decided that all three would raise the child.

    • A divorce in which a woman and her second husband were the legal parents of a child, but the biological father maintained close ties as well.

    SB 1476 stemmed from an appellate court case last year involving a child's biological mother, her same-sex partner, and a man who had an affair with the biological mother and impregnated her while she was separated temporarily from her female lover.

    Designating multiple parents in such cases could enhance the child's prospects for financial support, health insurance or Social Security benefits, thus reducing the state's potential financial responsibility, supporters say.

    In bitter breakups involving two unfit or incapacitated parents, a judge might have more flexibility to keep a child out of foster care by recognizing the existence of another parent, Leno contends.

    The key factor is a child's best interest: SB 1476 does not force judges to do anything, it only provides them with discretion to recognize multiple parents if doing so not only is beneficial, but is required for a child's well-being, Leno said.

    Californians give judges great power to split families with the stroke of a pen, so there is a duty to do it right, said Ed Howard, senior counsel for the Children's Advocacy Institute at the University of San Diego School of Law. "And we can't get it right if we're forcing judges to rule against their judgment."

    Opponents counter that the issue is complex and that allowing multiple parents in one section of law inevitably raises questions that could spark litigation in other sections.

    Tax deductions, citizenship, probate, public assistance, school notifications and Social Security rights all can be affected by determinations of parenthood, notes the Association of Certified Family Law Specialists.

    "This bill, in our opinion, if passed, will cause significant unintended consequences," said Diane Wasznicky, the group's president and a family law attorney in Sacramento.

    Assemblyman Donald Wagner, an Irvine Republican who opposes SB 1476, noted it could spark litigation, say, in a case of a wrongful death of a child with four potential parents and determining who has a claim.

    Karen Anderson, of the California Protective Parents Association, said the legislation could result in a child being bounced among multiple adults in a bitter family breakup.

    "It's hard enough for children to be split up two ways, much less multiple ways," she said.

    Attorney Catherine Sakimura of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, a co-sponsor of SB 1476, said judges would be required under the bill to consider a child's stability in awarding custody and visitation.

    SB 1476 states that concerns about child stability "may mean that not all parents share legal or physical custody."

    Wasznicky counters that it makes no sense to declare someone a parent, essential to a youngster's well-being, but then "cut that person out" of the kid's life.

    "Either someone is vital enough in a child's life to be labeled a 'parent' and have certain rights and obligations to the child, or the person is not," she contends.

    Ellen Pontac, a Davis gay-rights activist, said she and her wife, Shelly Bailes, each had two children when they began their relationship 38 years ago. She understands how someone can function as a child's parent but accrue no legal rights. Government should accommodate changing times, she said.

    "I just think that people should be able to create their own lives," she said.
    Comments on this story were closed because of hate speech.

    © Copyright The Sacramento Bee. All rights reserved.


    Yendo_Sur
    It takes a village to raise a child...


    Yendo_Sur
    Yeah, and real talk, this could easily be used as a tool to get child support from 2 men... just like the story insinuated. This is all the more reason not to date baby mommas.


    bronx
    I've heard of "multiple baby daddys" but I thought...


    Yendo_Sur
    Yahtzee... here is the payoff.

    Designating multiple parents in such cases could enhance the child's prospects for financial support, health insurance or Social Security benefits, thus reducing the state's potential financial responsibility, supporters say.

    RealDealBrotha
    Yeah, and real talk, this could easily be used as a tool to get child support from 2 men... just like the story insinuated. This is all the more reason not to date baby mommas.
    I was just thinking that, too.

    Not only is this reason not to date babymommas, but it's also a reason NOT to have kids in, or live in California. When a state starts making these kinds of sick laws and policies, it's time for sensible men to go.

    Let's see how many babymommas cake up from hustling multiple men for child support when there are fewer men there to be potential victims. They will then lean on the state for handouts, and since California is financially in the red, the states that support the ankle BS can crash and burn right alongside the ankles themselves.

    Considering the current draconian divorce, alimony and child support laws in Cali, the exodus of sensible men from that state should have begun years ago.



    titomontana
    Yeah, and real talk, this could easily be used as a tool to get child support from 2 men... just like the story insinuated. This is all the more reason not to date baby mommas.
    Could easy be used as a tool to get more child support from men ? Correction, it will be used to get more child support from men, and thus reducing the state's responsibilities towards these wombturd factories. That's the whole point of child-support.

    The government is just trying to save themselves some money and not go broke supporting all these ankles that keep popping out babies for the world to take care of. What they need to do is stop subsidizing this shit, and it will stop. If you keep putting these bitches up in apartments and giving them money every month, for getting pregnant, they're going to keep getting pregnant.

    Back in the good ole days, before feminism, women were fucked if they had a kid with no man in sight to take care of them, so bitches made sure they didn't get pregnant, or got married first. Now, they can get pregnant on the state's dime, and child support is merely a way for the state to recoup some of that.


    nneo
    You guys are brilliant! Also, this may be a way for pedophiles to take custody of people kids. Using a voluntary declaration of paternity, a pedophile, most likely a barren female, will convince some crack baby mama to share the kids. The the pedophile can exploit the kids.

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    Fucking phone...

    1 kid
    Dad is dead
    Mom remarried
    Dad's parents alive and in the picture..

    Mom now dead..

    Who gets the kid?

    Stepdad or grandparents?

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    Assuming this madness passes, here is a hypothetical situation;

    Jill gets knocked up by Tim; Tim dissapears.

    Jill moves in with Tom (nice guy) gives birth, Tom sticks around for awhile after baby is born.

    Jill meets Jim, they marry.

    Jims parents and Jill's parents help out with babysitting, becoming de facto parents.

    Jill divorces Jim, becomes a lesbian, marries Zelda; they have a baby (IVF) using Fred's sperm.

    Baby number two appears.

    Jill and Zelda divorce. Now for the fun part.

    "For the good of the children" the judge orders child support from:

    Tim; can't hide from the govt.

    Tom; nice guy, but also a defacto parent according the new law.

    Jim; (cuckold)

    Jim's parents; (they took care of the kid)

    Jill's parents; (see above)

    Zelda; (haha)

    Fred; (bio dad)

    Jill collects CS from nine other parties, and can do what she wants to with it.

    Isn't it clear now to anybody that the govt is running out of $$$$ and desperately needs new suckers to bleed?

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    Remember that in Canada stepfathers can be ordered to pay child support after a divorce in addition to the natural fathers. The precedent has been set and it's coming to the US—soon. The multiple parent provision will help it to happen.

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    Such a twisted law could possibly lead to more single moms getting pumped and dumped faster than usual.

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