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    Right vs. Left and MGTOW

    The below applies only the USA as I have no fucking idea how the rest of the world operates and would not presume to be so arrogant as to say otherwise.

    It occurred to me that one of the reasons the political right gets so many adherents from the MGTOW ranks is due to honesty. Sure, there are many policy reasons why this is so, but as we all know, trad-cons (ie the Right) are every bit as bad as Libtard Feminists (ie the Left).

    The political right in the US is, generally speaking, honest about what they intend to do with power once they attain it. When a right-wing politician says he intends to cut taxes, increase military spending, etc., he actually means it and does so.

    Granted, the right has sold the citizenry out on key issues like immigration, but 2/3rds or more of the time, the right is honest about what they intend to do.

    The left in the USA however lies their motherfucking ass off about their intent as to what they seek to do with power once they have it. They campaign basically on right wing issues and then betray the voters. Their base is aware of the scam to be sure, but the swing/idiot/low information voters/dipshits who swing between right and left can be (and often are) duped.

    Which gets to the point of this post - In regards to American politics, the right appeals to men due to their honesty, and the left repels MGTOW for the very same reason! The left reminds us too much of twats who claim to want one thing while actually wanting something else and allowing us to make long term life plans on total and utter duplicitous deception.

    Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by womanhater View Post
    It occurred to me that one of the reasons the political right gets so many adherents from the MGTOW ranks is due to honesty. Sure, there are many policy reasons why this is so, but as we all know, trad-cons (ie the Right) are every bit as bad as Libtard Feminists (ie the Left).
    I have to agree. The only reason I like conservatives in power is because the media constantly attacks and scrutinises them which means they are always playing catch up and are off balanced.

    I like the critters who are ruling me to be off balance.

    As soon as a democrat gets into power, the media shuts up. Compared to how they were with Bush, they are pretty much silent on the war issue with Obama.

    At the end of the day though, they are just two teams fighting over the levers of power which inevitably means the middle class, i.e me, gets stuck with higher taxes for something that doesn't benefit me.

    I'm 31 years old and have never partaken in the mass social masturbation exercise that is voting because of the aforementioned reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDisgruntledGentleman View Post
    I'm 31 years old and have never partaken in the mass social masturbation exercise that is voting because of the aforementioned reason.
    If voting could actually change anything, it would be illegal.

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    They're two wings of the same sick, demented bird, and when you go far enough up the wing, you can touch the tip of the other wing. There's very little to no difference between the two.

    That being said, I much prefer for anyone other than dumbocommies or RINOs to be in charge. Those fucksucks are concerned with stripping us of what freedom we have left and stuffing their pockets full of money more than anything else. The repugnicons are almost as bad as the dumbocommies (98% or so), but there's a difference between AS BAD and ALMOST AS BAD.

    IDGAF about much of any of this shit anymore, I just want them to get their fucking hands out of my wallet and leave my firearms alone. Stop telling people they can't have sex with this person, or that they MUST accept someone else's sexual appetites. Get the fucking .gov out of our wallets, our bedrooms, our gun storage, and our medicine cabinets.

    I voted for Gary Johnson in the last election. And because I was fucking stupid enough to vote, I got 'randomly' selected for jury duty THREE fucking times in just under 18 months. Meanwhile my parents have each gotten the jury notice ONCE in TWENTY FUCKING YEARS. And they've lived in the area the entire time, unlike me.

    As Mark Twain said, and womanhater brought up: "If voting could change anything, the government wouldn't let you do it."

    Since it won't change anything, it won't accomplish anything other than getting me called for jury duty, and I don't feel the need to take part in their System or society anymore, I won't be voting again. Fuck it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by womanhater View Post
    The below applies only the USA as I have no fucking idea how the rest of the world operates and would not presume to be so arrogant as to say otherwise.

    It occurred to me that one of the reasons the political right gets so many adherents from the MGTOW ranks is due to honesty. Sure, there are many policy reasons why this is so, but as we all know, trad-cons (ie the Right) are every bit as bad as Libtard Feminists (ie the Left).

    The political right in the US is, generally speaking, honest about what they intend to do with power once they attain it. When a right-wing politician says he intends to cut taxes, increase military spending, etc., he actually means it and does so.

    Granted, the right has sold the citizenry out on key issues like immigration, but 2/3rds or more of the time, the right is honest about what they intend to do.

    The left in the USA however lies their motherfucking ass off about their intent as to what they seek to do with power once they have it. They campaign basically on right wing issues and then betray the voters. Their base is aware of the scam to be sure, but the swing/idiot/low information voters/dipshits who swing between right and left can be (and often are) duped.
    Which gets to the point of this post - In regards to American politics, the right appeals to men due to their honesty, and the left repels MGTOW for the very same reason! The left reminds us too much of twats who claim to want one thing while actually wanting something else and allowing us to make long term life plans on total and utter duplicitous deception.

    Thoughts?
    Gotta go back to the dope smokin' hippies of the woodstock generation on this one. Once the fog of "kumbaya" and peace love and fuckupedness cleared those degenerates realized that if they take over the education system they can control the nation.....and it's worked like a charm. How else could SCUMBAMA have been elected twice without an army of stupid idiots having an ability to cast a ballot!

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    "Quick, let's go through the ballots and dump the jury duty on people who voted for Gary Johnson!"

    I don't care for politics at all, it's either Blue candidate vs. Pink candidate, same policies for pretty much everything, and the higher the level gets, the more manufactured the entire thing is. If I had to guess I wouldn't be surprised if there is a division within the intelligence community in the U.S that is dedicated to making sure that elections run smoothly and that both parties maximize the appeal they have to more number of people, and that voter turnout remains above a certain level. I suspect that in many ways it's always been like this, and that maintaining a high standard of living is more important than two political ideologies that were actually trying to destroy each other.

    One of the strengths of the US though is that your day to day life is not affected by political elections, for the most part. On occasion you get something like Obamacare (dislike that term) that will affect you in a big way, but for the most part elections are more about providing a way for people to voice their opinion and cue in the elite as to whether or not the masses are satisfied or dissatisfied with the policies of the last cycle.
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    The left in the USA however lies their motherfucking ass off about their intent as to what they seek to do with power once they have it.
    Yes, leftists lie about everything they do and then when they are called on it, they smear their opponent as either racist, misogynist or conspiracy theorist. Leftists are the low of low because they can't debate their position or take responsibility for their actions or policies.

    However, both the left and right are in it for themselves and couldn't care about the producers of society.
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    Barry blames his bad performance on racism, yo!

    Obama Blames Racism For Low Approval Ratings

    They're all part of the same fucking trough.

    By the way, who does Barry sound like with this?

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    By the way, who does Barry sound like with this?
    Feminism. Victimology 101 is used by the leftist so that they don't have to be held responsible for their policies.

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    Up here in Canuckistan, the only thing Conservatives are ever honest about is sending boatloads of money to Israel. That's still one point of honesty more than the Liberals (centre) or NDP (socialists), but that's it: ONE point. I have to add to the chorus here:

    -Get .gov (all "wings") out of my pants, wallet, life, etc.

    -Voting does nothing.

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    At an early age I saw the deceptive nature of the whole L vs R paradigm. I began studying politics and history and ended up a Libertarian. I totally understand people not voting. My third party vote basically doesn't count either. The dems and repubs play the tried and true "good cop bad cop" routine and it works on so many. Yes, one cop is nice while the other is mean but spending endless hours debating these differences is trivial and stupid! The more foundational observation is that they both are on the same team and they both want YOU to give something up!

    IMHO, the much more important issue is to simply decline to sign your name by either party. What they do is up to them but at the very least, don't go out of your way to agree with it.

    Even more important than that is controlling the dialog. I resent having to talk about nut jobs like Hillary and all the rest. These are fake people as far as I'm concerned. We, as free thinkers should AT LEAST control the dialog amongst ourselves. Let's talk about what WE want to talk about with respect to politics rather than making the focus of our political thoughts/conversations center around whichever candidate they trot out for us to "OOH" and "ahhh" over.

    I just can't stand it when the media and politicians roll out some issue, like gay marriage or gun control or abortion in order to distract from some other issue. We seem to fall for it every time. We may be free thinkers but we still have a long way to go when it comes to controlling the frame or meta-message. It doesn't seem that complicated to me, really, once you see what they games are.
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    I thought I was Conservative and a Republican until some of the Republican leadership started treating ideals like small government and fiscal conservatism as if it were their enemy.

    As the country becomes more and more socialist, can a Conservative still call himself conservative? It seems he'd be more of a radical.

    Traditional ideals of the Right are personal responsibility, small government, and the free market. Those appeal to MGTOW because we take care of ourselves and don't want to be bothered by a meddling government. If you want to be a Leftist you have to believe that government should be used to solve a wide range of societal "problems".

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    Quote Originally Posted by womanhater View Post
    The below applies only the USA as I have no fucking idea how the rest of the world operates and would not presume to be so arrogant as to say otherwise.

    It occurred to me that one of the reasons the political right gets so many adherents from the MGTOW ranks is due to honesty.
    I am not well informed about US politics but I think that an MGTOW is quite disillusioned about partnerships, society etc. and therefore probably more ready to swallow political red pills as well and less resentful to messengers of bad news. Which is one of the main roles of any government in a bankrupt state.

    Apart from that, you inspired me to write a thread about the messed-up political situation in Germany. Among our bigger parties, none dare to tell the voters the truth about necessary budget cuts etc., apart from the FDP which got thrown out of parliament for corruption, incompetency and above all, their obnoxious parasitic snobbish spoiled-brat yuppie attitude and demeanor. Apart from that, our main parties have either lost their profile so much that they're completely unrecognizable and interchangeable, or they suffer from political correctness constipation and lots of other annoying leftist diseases. Or they even have an openly Communist wing (the Linke). I'm not exaggerating. Like 30% of the Germans, I personally don't vote any party. I get lots of information before votes, I mean REALLY lots, read some of the party programmes etc. and also consider the tiny parties but I cannot, really cannot bring myself to vote any of them because otherwise I could not bear my sight in the mirror afterwards.

    Personally, when it comes to the relationship between state and citizen, I am libertarian, and when it comes to the economy and social stuff, I am somewhere between libertarian and leftist. But I'd rather vote for a competent conservative party than for an incompetent party of my favourite political flavor, because HOW laws are implemented is often more important than WHAT kind of laws are implemented. Also, I like it when laws somehow fit together without causing ridiculous side-effects, and when a government tries to shape the future by going into a general direction with medium-term measures rather than reacting shortterm to whatever stimulus comes up. As this sounds like politician's gibberish, let me give you one example which would be if Germany tried to push really hard towards being more of a high-tech country or at least keeping the level up with a set of measures (education, infrastructure, companies...) rather than just doing everyday-business there without a medium- or long-term-plan. (They always say they want but then fuck up by cutting back the nat. sciences curriculum at schools, removing parts of mental math from basic education in favor of a more "playful" approach to math, forcing technical universities to fulfill female professor quota though there's not that many women studying these things so you end up with "Gender in Informatics: philosophical aspects of the socio-political perspective´of the female-male narration" female professors just for the sake of the quota etc.)

    Ah, and here's the thread I opened: http://www.mgtowforums.com/forums/po...tml#post272426
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    With the Left it is oppression through dependence. And the tools they have at their disposal are complete deception, an enabling media (Christie bridge fiasco vs. Benghazi/FastFurious/IRS scandals) and an audience that is too lazy to think.

    The Right WAS supposed to be the party of personal independence/ responsibility and keep the government out of your personal life. What they are now is a symbolic court jester that exists for public whippings to embarrass and denigrate those beliefs.

    Now, take one group that isn't particularly aligned with many political interests because but understands the gross over reach of government and realizes the government is The Problem and the source of oppression.

    That same group is vilified by Republicans, Democrats, and the Media, because it is a threat of the people standing up to the Ruling Elite.

    People that actually want their voices heard and don't want the government up their asses are considered the Wackos, Extremists, Kooks, Rich Fat Cats, Terrorists, Nut jobs, etc. In fact they get treated just like men do in a feministic society. And in their own ways they have decided to stand up. They get the same media and social treatment.

    That means the Ruling Elite is terrified of them.

    You want to know who is good or bad in the political realm? Look at the people everybody hates, especially the media.

    If you want to grovel at the feet of the government and beg it's permission for anything you want to do or have in life, make sure your seat belt is buckled and your setback is in it's most upright position.

    You are arriving at your destination.

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    This is how leftists deal with the competition. Leftist are the most intolerant and closed minded people on the planet. They love to smear people that do not believe in them or their B.S. causes.

    Conservative activist James O'Keefe is accusing New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's administration of targeting his group with document requests and a subpoena, claiming the Democratic governor's recent comments critical of conservatives "aren't simply words."

    O'Keefe, whose Project Veritas is behind a series of hidden-camera investigations against left-leaning groups and causes, made the claims on the heels of the controversy over a recent Cuomo interview. In it, Cuomo blasted "extreme conservatives who are right-to-life, pro-assault-weapon, anti-gay" and said they "have no place" in New York. He later walked back his remarks, and said they were being taken out of context in the media.

    But O'Keefe claimed that Cuomo's government is acting on those words, revealing that the Department of Labor has hit his office in Westchester County, N.Y., with demands for financial documents for months. He compared it to IRS targeting of conservative groups nationwide.

    Reached for comment, the Department of Labor said it was a routine request and a routine process.

    Conservative activist O'Keefe claims Cuomo targeting his group | Fox News

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    More leftist intolerance.

    Head of Hollywood Conservative Group: 'IRS Told Us We Had Been Targeted'

    On Thursday, Megyn Kelly of Fox News reported on a developing story out of tinseltown where the group Friends of Abe -- a networking group for Hollywood conservatives -- had allegedly been targeted by the IRS.

    The report began with Fox west-coast anchor, Trace Gallagher, who stated the following:

    The group is called 'Friends of Abe', named after Abraham Lincoln, and its made up of 1500 conservative members of the entertainment industry. They gather for things like meals, drinks, and to learn about the political process. It is now seeking 501(c)(3) tax exempt status, so that donations could be tax deductible just like some progressive groups. Getting the exemption would prohibit the group from partisan activity. Now 'Friends of Abe' acknowledges having speakers like Karl Rove and Herman Cain, but they deny having a political agenda. 'Friends of Abe' says it doesn't just suspect they were being targeted by the IRS, they say they were told they're being targeted by the IRS.

    Friends of Abe Executive Director and TruthRevolt Managing Editor Jeremy Boreing provided the following comment:

    We understand through our attorneys that our agent at the IRS who was handling our file, specifically said we had been targeted on the BOLO list. So I think that probably the reason we're being targeted is we filed as a conservative educational fellowship.

    The struggle for 501(c)(3) status went on for nearly three years with no answer from the IRS. In the ensuing struggle, the group also received repeatedly very private questions about their members identities. In regards to the privacy violations, Boreing stated:

    If we were the local chapter of the Lion's Club, we would protect the privacy of our members. People who join the organization are not seeking publicity. We're not advocating for anything. We're not trying to accomplish any objective politically or even from a Hollywood business point of view.

    The IRS has not yet commented on this revelation. Friends of Abe prefers to keep its members private for fear they will be blacklisted in what is generally considered a left-leaning industry.
    Head of Hollywood Conservative Group: 'IRS Told Us We Had Been Targeted' | Truth Revolt
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    More hypocrisy from the left.

    CAUGHT ON TAPE: Wendy Davis Supporters, BGTX Mock Greg Abbott's Disability


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    Quote Originally Posted by 0kool View Post
    Gotta go back to the dope smokin' hippies of the woodstock generation on this one. Once the fog of "kumbaya" and peace love and fuckupedness cleared those degenerates realized that if they take over the education system they can control the nation.....and it's worked like a charm. How else could SCUMBAMA have been elected twice without an army of stupid idiots having an ability to cast a ballot!
    Go back even more to the so called "greatest" generation that raised them,if they share no blame then the whole concept of good and bad parenting means nothing.

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    It is when they reject the absentee ballots of the military that truly makes a statement to their true character.

    For every action there is an equal reaction. A lot of suppressed rage is waiting to erupt. They had to pull a third candidate to ensure a win in Virginia. A third candidate that was backed by a known Obama supporter.


    Democrats and liberals will be discovered for their true natures- especially as the misery and carnage of Obamacare becomes reality.

    One statement someone made to me recently sticks out:

    "Nixon resigned for far less."


    Go back even more to the so called "greatest" generation that raised them,if they share no blame then the whole concept of good and bad parenting means nothing.
    There has been international influence in our politics throughout history. I actually couldn't disagree with this above statement more. Sympathizers from socialist and communist beliefs, even from motherland Russia, intentionally targeted Universities as a place to influence.

    The Nazi Party, The Communist Party, all had domestic supporters here from the 1920's on...

    The "Greatest Generation" knew all to well the realities of those philosophies. That is why many of that generation immigrated here. To escape that tyranny. That is why the young people were encouraged to rebel against that generation. Because they could be convinced to embrace government oppression.
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    At least you don't have compulsory voting like Australia does. We are the only nation which has it. Otherwise it is a $20 fine.

    So most people "donkey vote" (screw up the ballot paper) or vote for either Labor (left wing), Liberals (right wing). In 2010 a lot of people voted for The Greens as a protest vote against the incompetent Labor Government at the time, not realising that with preferences, 9/10 the vote went to Labor anyway.

    This election a lot of young people voted for the Liberal party but suddenly there is a lot of regret because the Liberal Party want to cut the National Broadband Network and make it slower. (If the Liberals left it alone they would have had voters for life).

    I think that there would be more swing voters as time goes on. Young people don't commit to any one brand for too long and the elderly who would be do or die on one party are slowly dying, reducing that certainty. So more political ads

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