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    She failed the test, now pay her

    Way she goes ...

    Woman inspector 'humiliated' by failing riot test wins up to £30k | Mail Online

    Woman inspector 'humiliated' by failing riot test wins up to £30k
    For 30 years it has been used to test the fitness of officers who police riots and other outbreaks of serious public disorder.

    The so-called 'shield run' involves officers covering a distance of 500 metres in less than two minutes, 45 seconds while wearing full riot gear and carrying a shield.


    But when Inspector Diane Bamber, 51, failed to meet the time limit, she claimed she had been left humiliated.



    She brought a sex and age discrimination case against her force, Greater Manchester Police, and now stands to win up to £30,000 after an employment tribunal ruled in her favour.


    Officers have to be able to run a distance of 500 metres in two minutes 45 seconds in full riot gear



    The landmark case has opened the door for thousands of other women officers to claim payouts and has triggered a review of specialist police training across the country.



    Insp Bamber, a serving officer for more than 30 years who still works for Greater Manchester Police, attended an Initial Public Order Commanders' Course in Lancashire in November 2008.



    She complained to the tribunal that prior to the course starting she had been led to believe that she would not have to take part in the shield run. But on the day of the test, Insp Bamber was informed that all officers who wanted to be considered for events where trouble was a possibility would have to pass it.


    She agreed to run but she did not finish in the allotted time. Her failure meant she could not complete the rest of the training course.


    When Insp Bamber applied to retake the shield run, it is alleged that one of her colleagues remarked: 'She's got no f****** chance.'


    In fact she did pass at the second attempt several months later – after Greater Manchester Police made it easier by raising the time limit to three minutes.



    The tribunal heard that on the second occasion, Insp Bamber gave herself the equivalent of an extra 20 seconds by starting at the front of the group. Previously, she had started at the back but the clock starts when the first person sets off.



    In her ruling, Judge Hilary Slater :rolleyes: said Insp Bamber's claims of indirect sex and age discrimination were 'well-founded'.


    Noting that the officer had 'suffered humiliation at being sent away from the course', Judge Slater added: 'The tribunal concludes that the claimant was put at the disadvantage suffered by women and persons of her age group in that she failed the test and was not able to complete the training.'


    The shield run was first introduced in the Eighties when Scotland Yard used it to test the fitness of officers policing the Notting Hill Carnival. Greater Manchester Police also conducted the runs for 30 years but has now dropped them.



    The Mail on Sunday understands that the Association of Chief Police Officers is now reviewing the lawfulness of the physical training formats for 13 specialist operational roles, including those for firearms officers, which could discriminate against women and older officers.


    Last night Tory MP Robert Halfon said: 'At a time when forces face enormous challenges and need to do all they can to protect frontline service, it is bizarre they are being forced to use taxpayers' money to pay compensation in cases such as these.'


    The level of compensation will be set later this month.

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    Watered down training so women can "pass" Doesn't this just make everybody feel so much safer?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by systems1082 View Post
    Watered down training so women can "pass" Doesn't this just make everybody feel so much safer?!
    Don't bother me any. I don't look to the police of govt to keep me and mine safe
    instead I trust in God, training and the good folks at Colt, Rugger, H&K etc etc

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    Clearly, fitness standards that existed before women were allowed to be policemen/soldiers were put in place to discriminate against them in the future. The gear is only probably an extra 40-50 pounds at most (the shield is about 20), and the have to run (more like jog) 1/3 of a mile in 2:45. It's not like this is an arbitrary requirement like 20 one-armed pullups. If you want to be on the riot-police, you should be able to move in the gear with relative ease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by systems1082 View Post
    Watered down training so women can "pass" Doesn't this just make everybody feel so much safer?!
    gonna be hard to use these particular cops for anything.

    Hence the SWAT team for everything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by systems1082 View Post
    Watered down training so women can "pass" Doesn't this just make everybody feel so much safer?!

    Hell yes! It's feel just about as safe as living in Durango. A country that is under the heavy influence of the Sinaloa Cartel. A place where you can look in someone's wastebasket and find this. http://orangejuiceblog.com/wp-conten...naloa-guns.jpg
    Last edited by zuberi; 06-13-2011 at 08:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zuberi View Post
    Hell yes! It's feel just as about as safe as living in Durango. A country that is under the heavy influence of the Sinaloa Cartel. A place where you can look in someone's wastebasket and find this. http://orangejuiceblog.com/wp-conten...naloa-guns.jpg
    I've got more gun than that in my living room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by systems1082 View Post
    Watered down training so women can "pass" Doesn't this just make everybody feel so much safer?!
    give it 10 years, then we riot, and all the cops will run.

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    I like this. No more riot police. Those guys are insane idiots who think it is normal to bash peoples skull in with their batons while hiding behind their riot shields.

    PCR

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    Quote Originally Posted by zuberi View Post
    Hell yes! It's feel just as about as safe as living in Durango. A country that is under the heavy influence of the Sinaloa Cartel. A place where you can look in someone's wastebasket and find this. http://orangejuiceblog.com/wp-conten...naloa-guns.jpg
    Woa shit, me needs to have one of these babies

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha View Post
    gonna be hard to use these particular cops for anything.

    Hence the SWAT team for everything?
    in part, but normally LEO's spend a lot more time learning how to not need to use a firearm then how to use one. SWAT teams don't. Part of it is they have a nicey, shiney high dollar swat team and they better use it. Plus no one wants to be the police chief who sent regular beat cops into th ugly when he has a swat team. Can you imagine the out rage if officer marry jane rotten crotch geta gunned down on some bullshit call when it happens to not be bullshit? But IMO it mostly has to do with the change in mind sets. Now it's a war on this or that so they act like they are Rangers in a-stan( actually they act "worse").

    Compare that thinking to back in the day when cops were called sworn peace officers and you get a better picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcr View Post
    I like this. No more riot police. Those guys are insane idiots who think it is normal to bash peoples skull in with their batons while hiding behind their riot shields.

    PCR
    Don't knock it until you've done it a few times. Bashing hippes is fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apeiron View Post
    give it 10 years, then we riot, and all the cops will run.
    and maybe call in the national guard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonelifter View Post
    Don't knock it until you've done it a few times. Bashing hippes is fun.
    Here they like to kick 13 yo's who happen to walk to close to them while running away. Is that normal? Bashing socialists and commies OTOH....there we share the same view sir :cool:

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha View Post
    and maybe call in the national guard?
    this is america, we can take em, specially from the rooftops at 800m.

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    Why are we surprused? The military has given watered down PT tests to women since they have been allowed to serve.my police department uses the same standard for men and women. They just make it ridiculously low so women can pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcr View Post
    Here they like to kick 13 yo's who happen to walk to close to them while running away. Is that normal? Bashing socialists and commies OTOH....there we share the same view sir :cool:

    PCR
    Most places don't know how to commit violence in a professional manner. Which is probally why so many nations like to hire Americans. (English speakers in general) The last time I did riot work was in South America. The local riot cops where kept way back because they ****ed things up so bad in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apeiron View Post
    this is america, we can take em, specially from the rooftops at 800m.
    Roof tops are for rookies and a real bad place to be when the other side has helo's

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonelifter View Post
    Most places don't know how to commit violence in a professional manner. Which is probally why so many nations like to hire Americans. (English speakers in general) The last time I did riot work was in South America. The local riot cops where kept way back because they ****ed things up so bad in the past.
    The real troublemakers are left alone and the weak targets who don't even fight back are taken out. Is that professional? You wear all that gear and are still afraid of some guys? What kind of pussy attitude is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcr View Post
    The real troublemakers are left alone and the weak targets who don't even fight back are taken out. Is that professional? You wear all that gear and are still afraid of some guys? What kind of pussy attitude is that?
    No. What you do is, figure out the ones who are driving things; form up a wedge and go get him. (great job for horses) once you remove the top tier trouble makers things settle down. The more damage or the more injuires the legal authorties due the better from the stand point of the pro riot makers.

    It's real easy to get hurt, even with the gear and you are out numbered. By a shitload. I think you under estimate the danger. & it's a big score for them to hurt or kill a cop

    What folks don't get is, a lot of riots are driven by pro riot makers and pretty much every one else gets caugh up in it or their numbers mask the actions of the serious trouble makers.
    Last edited by stonelifter; 06-13-2011 at 07:46 PM.

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