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    The Sorry Lives and Confusing Times of Today's Young Men

    Article: The Sorry Lives and Confusing Times of Today’s Young Men | Philadelphia Magazine Articles

    More or less another standard shaming article wondering why (young men specifically) won't "man up" and stop choosing video games and **** over relationships with women (haha). However, a couple comments did catch my eye. They lay out some of the challenges that young men coming up today face in a bad economy and an increasingly misandrist society.

    So, yeah, I'm one of those much-maligned young men in his late 20s, living off Mom & Dad. Yeah, I play World of Warcraft by day and watch **** by night. My BA in Classical Studies collects dust in a folio.

    Am I happy? No.
    Would I like to be a contributing member of society? Hell yes.

    But my options thereof are basically non-existent. The working-class jobs that were historically a young man's ladder up, or at least a means of supporting himself, are gone - automated, or exported to China. Men, especially white men, face vicious discrimination in most urban areas for employment, especially in education.

    I applied to an MA program in accounting, and on the strength of very good GMAT scores, was accepted. I was told my tuition would be $15k a semester - but doctoral programs, which are nearly monopolized by women appointed the feminist department chair, get a free ride. So I as a "privileged" man subsidize their tuition.

    I also took the LSAT, but due to an emergency, cancelled at the last minute. On a whim, I put my gender down as female. Despite not taking the test, I got a flood of offers to attend women's-only law schools, even though they had no idea what my LSAT score was because I hadn't taken the exam. It was enough they believed I had boobs.

    I remember dealing with a feminist professor who insisted that on the basis of my abilities, I should have to do more work, for the same grade, in the interests of equalizing outcomes. I came to her office to meet with her just as she wrapped up a conversation trying to help pass a female student who was nearly flunking the course due to just plain not showing up.

    I've met with numerous feminist academic advisors on university campuses that are passive-aggressive and hostile towards men, make a point of instigating conflict, and are only interested in their wallets. Conversely, I see female students show up, completely unprepared, without their forms or information, start bawling crocodile tears, and "in sympathy" the staff immediately fulfill their whims - and the faucet shuts off. If a male student gets emotional he is often assaulted by the campus police even if he had done nothing wrong.

    Case study, go watch the notorious John Kerry "Dont Taze Me Bro" video, a despicable but absolutely ubiquitous depiction of the contempt that college campuses have today for the energy and diginity of young men - actually cheering and applauding as the kid is shocked with a cattle prod.

    The dominant generation atm is the Baby Boomers. People who never had it hard, in fact they had it the easiest of any group of people in the entire history of the world. They don't understand the dilemmas that face young men today because they have no frame of reference. They think that anyone who faces adversity or doesn't see their whims satisfied is in some way flawed.

    As for young women, my peers, they are, for the most part, stupid *****s, and they're that way not because women are evil or immoral by nature but because social pressure encourages them to be that way.

    Young women are stupid because feminism's unequivocal praise for anything or anyone female and unequivocal disdain for all things male (including competition itself) has removed all incentive to be serious and competitive. Why be smart or effective when you can glide by on system that tells you you're awesome on the basis of gender and offers money and relative status at the direct expense of men? Feminism sees stupid women as preferable constituents because they are less inclined to challenge their dogma and the outrageous lies they introduce to curriculum.

    Young women are *****s because feminists encourage venal and abusive behavior towards men. In an effort to expand feminism beyond its core of angry lesbians, they sell outrageous expectations on male behavior to foolish women and remove all expectations of decency and dignity. Feminists have taught women to see sexuality not as part of one's of humanity and personal dignity but just something to leverage in pursuit of shallow aims and to hold over hapless men. Young women dress like call girls and talk like 900 operators, expect men to pay for everything and keep them amused, indulge in incredibly petty and vicious behavior, then throw around the R-word or cry harassment whenever they feel slighted in some way.

    Unsurprisingly, men with common sense avoid their female peers.

    The only way men can win that sort of game is not to play, and that's exactly what many young men like me have done. The only men left in the dating pool for women my age are "pretty boys", serial womanizers, and stupid young men who are willing to act like court jesters and spend like drunken sailors for the approval of equally stupid young women.

    The grand irony of all this is that feminism, as it exists for individuals in their late 20s, will ultimately hurt women much more than men. It will create a generation of women addicted to consumerism and completely out of touch with how the world really works, lacking in strength of character, unequal to their perceived station in life, incapable of making their way in life without an unsustainable system of patronage and cheap Chinese goods.

    When that system collapses - and, being unsustainable, it will - the big losers will be women. The men who aren't destroyed, financially and personally, will know well enough how to get by on their wits alone, and will pick up the pieces. At a premium.

    Feminists are swindling an entire generation of men AND women out of their future to build a base of power through appeals to bigotry and greed.

    For me? Everyone has a right to try their hardest to be happy and make something of themselves. I would love nothing more than to be a happy and productive citizen, studying and working so I can do my part to build a better future for myself and my society. With that right denied me by the determined campaigns of feminism, playing video games and watching **** is a sop I'm entitled to.

    Like many young men...I'm done being blamed for the problems of the world that the feminists created.
    No, please. Continue that thought.

    Are you going to tell me that women in their 20s are attracted to good, hardworking men? Or that living off one's parents and living a life of mindless self-indulgence is considered a disgrace for a woman?

    Women in their twenties have it easier in the workplace BUT face no stigma nor disadvantage if they choose not to work. Young men get it from both sides.

    And don't tell me young women are looking for winners. First off, the number of people who have "won" at life in their twenties (Zuckenberg?) are very, very small. In any day and age, most people in their twenties are still struggling to get established. The fact that women so readily mock men who are struggling just underscores their entitlement, how little they deserve the advantages they have and how baseless the myth of male power is.

    A woman struggling is am object of pity; a man struggling is an object of contempt. But one can honorably stick to the house and the other can't.

    Most young women care very little for whether a man is good or hardworking or whether he spends his dough on video games or weed, they care whether he's willing to amuse them, buy them stuff and put up with their whims, without threatening their small egos. If that means living way beyond one's means, cool.

    A man having a job short of being a salaried professional is nothing to most young women. And if he doesn't, then it just comes down to how much credit card debt he's willing to take on and how much of a clown he's willing to be.


    Your attitude is exactly what is wrong with American women today. You cry in the face of difficulty, but you mock others in the same position. You want your life to be easy, but blame anyone who finds life difficult. You want all roads in life to be open to you, but you seek to narrow others life choices to those which benefit you personally in the form of conveyance of wealth. And when American men say they've had enough, you blame them for that too.

    This delusional attitude that "hanging out" with you is some sort of privilege - there's nothing more to it than the epitome of entitlement.
    As a young guy, the bolded really stands out to me. The financial and emotional costs of engaging in relationships with my female peers are way too high for me to even consider going down that route. Entertaining women on dinner and movie dates, regularly going to clubs....the man carries the burden for paying for all of that shit. Why bother when if my circumstances change these women won't be around to lend me a helping hand. I'll just be mocked and called a loser. No thanks, I'll stick to videogames, ****, and the occasional low investment pump and dump.

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    Men, the network’s research suggests, have become marginalized: The skills women have—they’re better listeners, they work better in teams—are what’s needed in the modern work-world. “Women see a clearer fit for themselves,” says Ray, “and employers do, too.”
    Seriously, I can't hear this tired nonsense anymore.

    The average woman is not a better listener. A self-absorbed, cynical **** may pretend to care about your problems to get juicy details to gossip about with the other office harpies, but that's about it. You can be sure your common office vadge would rather fantasize about alpha cock all day than listen to your boring man problems.

    The average woman does not excel at teamwork. ****s can't organize themselves. They'll relish the opportunity to "do teamwork" because it's gossip central and it frees the individual woman of any responsibility for failure, but if you need to get stuff done, you DO NOT want to entrust a woman team with doing it.

    So why are employers apparently willing to get the axe wounds on the payroll? The EEOC and a swarm of legal locusts are always looking for an opportunity to flex their muscles and sue. Now, as a business, you can't let an incompetent woman do important work. For that, you still need the men. You can, however, give them their make-work office jobs involving lots of "communication" and "teamwork". Since you don't really need any skills for those, any 20-something woman with a crap degree in vaginology can get right on board and feel all independent and career grrrrl-ish about pushing paper all day.

    Meanwhile, men have to actually prove their worth to earn some money because hiring them does not auto-deflect the diversity mob. And while they're trying to do so, they get shamed and ridiculed by the parasite class for not "manning up" quickly enough and for lacking "teamwork" and "listening" skills that women apparently have a monopoly on.

    Gah, the self-absorbed nature of the American female in particular still rattles me every now and then.

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    Given how women are so desired by employers, why do we still have affirmative action and an EEOC that only favors women? Surely such things are no longer needed?

    Nope, let women lead the work place and economy, the same one with record government deficits, trade deficits, and debt that is mathematically unpayable.

    YOU GO GURRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    *In my best National Geographic Channel narrator's voice.*

    And as we witness the birth of the "Man Going His Own Way" we must pay special attention to the number of feminist heads exploding. If you watch closely you can see the exact moment that their hamsters go into overdrive. Let's watch in silence as another man is saved from the oppressive world created by collectivism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKondor View Post
    *In my best National Geographic Channel narrator's voice.*

    And as we witness the birth of the "Man Going His Own Way" we must pay special attention to the number of feminist heads exploding. If you watch closely you can see the exact moment that their hamsters go into overdrive. Let's watch in silence as another man is saved from the oppressive world created by collectivism.
    That was Gold. Repped.

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    I managed to get through the whole article...and most of the comments. I found this gem:

    The problem isn't feminism, it's capitalism. Capitalists just want to divide the working class and pit them against each other (male vs female) because if they double the work force, there is more supply and less demand so wages can go down or stagnate. Most parents, both working, are poorer than in the past when men worked and women stayed home. We're all working for half the pay (when you adjust for inflation, minimum wage in the '70's is equivalent to $21/hour today).
    Without even reading any of it I had it pegged. No honey, you're wrong...the problem is COLLECTIVISM. Feminism, socialism, marxism, communism...they are the problem. Being born on this planet doesn't entitle you to jack squat except a certain end...as the great Robert A. Heinlein once said:

    Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.

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    "THE WOMEN ARE IRATE. The women are talking about men, young men, the men they’d like to date and marry, and are they ever pissed."

    LMAO! AAAAAANNNNND implement phase 2, it's hurting poor women!

    Hey Sis! Wait 5 years, you are going to be absolutely apoplectic!

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    That first comment was epic.

    MGTOW is spreading beyond small corners of the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Ferrari View Post
    "THE WOMEN ARE IRATE. The women are talking about men, young men, the men they’d like to date and marry, and are they ever pissed."

    LMAO! AAAAAANNNNND implement phase 2, it's hurting poor women!

    Hey Sis! Wait 5 years, you are going to be absolutely apoplectic!
    WHATGMG Article #932

    You can see two big gaping flaws in hamster logic in the article: No introspection and no real search for the truth. They see an undesirable reaction from men. But they haven't thought of what actions caused it let alone asking men about their behavior. That's because they've been raised to believe their own hype. If she was so perfect, guys would be at her beck and call like a lapdog. They're not. Maybe she's not the perfect angel like she's been told from a young age. Instead of facing the truth she blames men, but doesn't ask them. Because the truth hurts.

    She better not waste too much time though unless she wants Mr. Mittens and his friends. One recently discovered caveat of feminism is that you get priced out of the market real early due to younger, more entitled women like the author going for the same guys.

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    Why in the world should men be remotely concerned with attracting women in the first place?

    Over the last 3 decades, finding employment and establishing a stable livelihood has been made easier for women in the middle class while it has been made exceedingly more difficult for middle class men to actually obtain a financially secure future.

    This unequal playing field found in the economy has been the work of feminists and their diversity doctrine for years. And women want us to desire them?

    These articles tend to make me see red. How the **** can we desire them when they've been actively destroying our lives in every possible way they could imagine?

    **** feminists.

    **** women.

    I want to enjoy my life and not have it crushed by some vapid, pencil-pushing ***** in middle management. At this point, I would say most young men my age have much more to worry about when it comes to self-preservation, independence, and work. We all know women's lives can be subsidized by the state, a beta provider, or even their parents. Even with all of these options available to them, they can choose to work in the economy, which has been made more open for them than it has been for men by the state and lawyers.

    And we are told that we need to worship the ground they walk on because they're women while they've been busily engaged in decreasing our chances to become economically self-reliant and autonomous. Even worse, we are told that we need to exonerate women for this because NAWALT!

    It's outrageous and stupid at the same time.

    I'd work hard for myself.

    I will enjoy my own life. I don't need a woman to do that for me. What man can possibly say he's living the life when the only way he could possibly obtain his enjoyment is through the presence of another human being? In the simplest terms, the maximization of your own reward and the very act of feeling good about yourself has to come from women according to these manginas. Without them, they would be incomplete!

    It's pure bullshit.

    By the way, TheKidKevin's first citation about the guy who plays WoW is awesome. Thanks for linking that.

    He wrote a great piece. One of the things that draws me to MGTOW is when I actually read these observations and analyses from other men who've encountered the exact same shit we all have. They're able to put it in even better words than I could ever think of, which is fantastic as it makes me see things in a more concise point of view.

    However, he missed the mark with this:

    As for young women, my peers, they are, for the most part, stupid *****s, and they're that way not because women are evil or immoral by nature but because social pressure encourages them to be that way.
    MGTOW is about taking the leap from social construct to biology. I'm afraid it is in their nature.
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    The comments make a better read than the article itself. There are guys there pointing out to women that they are given jobs based on their gender and they are PISSED off about that fact.

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    I'm still working through the comments and the guy who wrote the gem of a comment mentioned in the OP places the blame of feminism in the wrong place;

    The way to destroy the feminist movement is not just to call it evil and tell women (and men) to pretend it's 1850. It's to offer a real alternative.

    Democratic socialism. Equality of opportunity, inequality of results. A social safety net - not the "feast or famine" way of life - unequal results cannot mean letting people starve to death or blithely them to "get a jerb" waxing the boots of the wealthy and privileged.

    We must establish a society where everyone - men and women, rich and poor, technocrat and laborer - can find RESPECT and PURPOSE in life.
    Luckily, someone takes him town and explains that what we (the Western World) have that with a large dose of corporatism added...

    Sigh... he continues to conflate corporatism with free market economics;

    "Feminism exists because capitalism does. It is a compromise the capitalist system has made to ensure its continued existence. Feminism cannot be undone until a new wisdom emerges - until the fundamental faults of free-market libertarianism - its degradation of human beings to economic objects - is addressed."
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    More comment gold;

    "Jean Valjean • 7 months ago

    What exactly is it that you expect us to be doing? Look, the US has invested billions trying to get women into the workforce. Along the way they blamed men for female underachievement. Whenever men made more it was because of sexism. Whenever women made more it's because they are superior. But when men fail it's because we are losers and when women fail it's because of sexism.

    When faced with such a double standard, faced with a society that thinks any advantage a man might have must be taken away and any advantage a woman might have must be assisted and amplified it doesn't take long before a significant number of men realize there isn't much to be gained by getting on that corporate treadmill.

    And when faced with the alternative of living at home with mom and dad, playing videos and watching ****, well it pretty obvious which is the better choice.

    Of course some of us (myself) do have a job, a house, a car, and money in the bank but why the heck would I risk all that to get married? Women have been telling men all my life that they don't need us; that we are the root of all their problems. Now suddenly I'm supposed to go out and court one of these bigots so I can form a so-called "equal partnership" by transferring wealth over to her and being her personal beast of burden?

    Mmmn no thank you.

    Let's be frank here. Women really don't have that much to offer. They work? So do I. But if I needed their income they wouldn't want me anyway. Sex? Meh. **** offers me all the chemical high of sex only more of it. Intimacy? Every time a woman complains about how awful men are she's making it clear that she's not interested in our humanity. It's always about how much money we make, how much stuff we own, how bright our future is, and whether we'll unconditionally privilege her with our hard work. And whatever niche service women might have provided 40 years ago just doesn't exist. The majority of women can't cook, clean, or act like a decent human being and even if they could at the end of the marriage they would claim I chained them to the stove and forced them to give up their career and as usual everything is my fault. Besides, cooking and cleaning is easy and certainly not worth turning over half my income and accumulated assets.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm happy to work and the idea of supporting children and even a wife isn't repugnant to me. But so long as women insist they should be able to abandon marriage on a whim (and 35% of women who marry eventually will) and then to take as much marital property as they can including the children and decades of child support and alimony and leave me with bills and a broken heart; well let's just say I don't think that's a good deal.

    I've heard it said that women need men like a fish needs a bicycle.

    Well guess what? Bicycles don't need fish either."

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    And yet more;

    "the-slackers-have-it-right > Jean Valjean • 4 months ago

    I'm 36 years old with a Master's degree in Electrical Engineering. I married at the age of 26 years old.

    I worked hard for a small company, which I helped grow and sell to a large company for $40M. My cut from the sale was $300k. A nice kickstart to my retirement nest-egg at the age of 29.

    When we had a child, my wife announced she was no longer going to work outside of the home. We had a housecleaner. I started getting fed up with the house being a mess, her watching 8+ hours of TV a day, etc. When we went into marriage counseling, the feminist counselor snapped us into rigid 1950s stereotypes. My wife was the "slaving housewife struggling to keep everything afloat." I was the absent father focused on his career. Nothing could be further from the truth, but our marriage counselor advised her to "be a strong woman who needed to find her voice in the marriage." She had PLENTY of voice. We always did what SHE WANTED TO DO. I spent the majority of our marriage just trying to keep her calm, happy, and not pouty and annoyed.

    My wife left me, and relocated with our son out-of-state. I had to spend thousands of dollars in legal fees and countless hours of time to bring him back. For the past 15 months, I've been functioning as my own paralegal. I'm fortunate that I found a lawyer who was willing to let me do a lot of work myself.

    Not every man has the money or the aptitude to do what I did within the court system. It's literally a jungle. And be prepared for attorneys to advise you that you have no chance, that you cannot win. You can, but it's an uphill climb.

    Now, she's getting 50% of that nest-egg that was solely the result of my education and hard work. Having lost the battle to take my son away from me, she's trying to kick me out of my house out of spite (the one she left over a year ago.)

    The bicycles and fish analogy doesn't work, because the fish doesn't ride the bike, doesn't use the bike like a beast of burden, doesn't spawn offspring with the bike that the fish perceives as belonging solely to the fish, doesn't criticize how the bike doesn't roll down the street smoothly enough to suit the fish, etc. etc.

    A more apt analogy is that a man needs a woman like a fish needs a hook.

    Not All Women are Like That? Far too many are to be worth the risk. Guys - work hard, achieve, but keep it for yourself. Don't sign your life away with those two evil words - "I do." With those words, you are forever committed. She is not. You break the contract? You lose. She breaks the contract? She wins."

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    The hits keep on coming;

    "Paul • 8 months ago −

    Women had their liberation a few decades back, and now men are having theirs. Men are starting to say, "Wait a minute. Why should my life be about struggle and self-sacrifice, working myself to death for people who regard me as a wallet? Why should I marry some 'blunt, outspoken' woman who will turn on me whenever the money stops coming in, who will nag me to death and take half my stuff, including any kids we have together, 10 years down the road?"

    The real question is, why did otherwise sane men continue to choose that path for decades after it was outdated and shown to be harmful to them in every conceivable way?

    Women in the Western World have the option of pursuing careers, becoming housewives, staying single, dating other girls, and doing whatever they like in life, and society accepts them no matter what they do. They can pick and choose from life like it was a buffet, avoiding anything that seems unpleasant to them. Why can't men have that freedom? The only honorable path for a man is, 'Marry a woman and take care of her until you or she dies'. If you do anything else, you're an ***hole, a momma's boy, or a slacker.

    Many American women are like spoiled children. They want to be able to do whatever they want, while pointing fingers at others who aren't doing whatever those women want them to do. We've watched men come before us and get burned by the old societal rules for 30 years now. Not anymore. This generation of men wants genuine equality - we're not gonna play by rules which seem to only apply to men, and if a woman wants to be taken seriously, she needs to leave those old standards at the door."
    and;

    "Crazy_O > RealMan1987 • 7 months ago −

    Im having the time of my life playing video games and having casual very short relationships with women. I earn 70k€ a year working at a german tv channel, living alone. I spend it all on electronic gadgets, cars and video games. I don't see how "growing up" would benefit me in any way.

    Femenism is the best thing that ever happened to men (who want to stay single), women earn their own money and are independent. Their independency from us freed men from the role of the provider."
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    "Smash > RealMan1987 • 4 months ago −

    Funny, seeing as how the welfare rolls are populated almost exclusively by those you say all struggled and fought. Guess that instinct didn't get passed on. So how are these guys worse than those on the public till? Why doesn't this article mention AFDC or the discrimination against boys that is inherent in public education these days? There has been a war against masculinity since the 60's. Well, it's coming back to haunt the rest of society just as it destroyed minority families and our inner cities decades ago. That is the legacy of our welfare state from 1965 on and the left's other weapon, feminist misandry."
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    "Tyler Brown • 4 months ago −

    I'm 26, I own my own condo and work full-time, often 60+ hours a week. I have a girlfriend, but to be honest, I see absolutely no value to men in getting married. Is this really surprising? If I were to get married and then divorced, I would likely by ordered by a raging feminist family court judge to pay a substantial portion of my income, for the rest of my working life, to my ex. If children resulted, unless she was a drug addict or criminal, she would likely be automatically awarded custody simply by virtue of possessing a vagina. In short, the politically-correct, man-hating feminist movement, which is now deeply structurally ingrained in society, has done everything possible to discourage men from settling down and getting married - yet, women then have the gall to complain that so few men are interested in marriage! That's truly rich.

    With respect to the under-performance of men in education and employment, what I find surprising is that anyone is surprised by this. For decades, we've collectively done just about everything imaginable to encourage women in higher education, STEM, and professional fields, while completely neglecting boys and young men. In the business world, employers go out of their way to hire and promote women, effectively treating men as second-class employees - and we hear nothing from the supposed egalitarians about this wanton discrimination. Along the same lines, most companies will want evidence of egregious misconduct before firing a woman (as they're scarred to death of allegations of sexual harassment), yet as a practical matter, they'll fire a man at the drop of a hat. In school, many professors openly bemoaned the lack of women in engineering programs (despite the obvious fact that relatively few women are interested in such fields); were much more lenient with the women who were enrolled in such demanding programs, and frequently went out of their way to provide special assistance to female students.

    And sociologists act perplexed by how men are losing ground. This, it seems, reflects either a staggering level of incompetence or willful refusal to face reality on their part."
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    "vspyder • 4 months ago −

    Frankly society has changed that is all.

    By society's standards I would be considered successful. I have a degree, money in the bank, own my own company etc. etc..... I guess the next step is to get married and have kids. But why bother? Why would I want to get tied down to one woman and add unnecessary responsibilities to my life? Also getting married while you have assets is a financial liability these days. Why take that risk? I worked hard for my savings and I don't feel I should share that with anyone.

    To be blunt I just want sex from women and with the internet nothing is easier to obtain. You want ****? it's there 24....7 You want a prostitute? (Oh sorry they call themselves escorts) Well that's a phone call\email away also and now they even have web pages.

    The internet and our tech heavy world has changed everything. Women don't need guys anymore and likewise men don't need women.

    Wait until the next 20-30 years, you ain't seen nothing yet I can assure you."

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    "Bill • 5 months ago −

    I'll offer one perspective from a "successful" man by most traditional measures of success. I am 36, have a Ph.D. in Biochemistry, earn a 6-figure salary, am a faculty member at an Ivy League University, have been happily married 6 years, have an infant son, been faithful to my wife in 12 years of togetherness, have $500,000 in the bank/investments and no debt. The numerous men (and small cohort of women) raising these concerns of societal malfeasance towards men all have valid points. I highlight Aestu, who has brilliantly articulated these issues with his highly skilled, cogent, clear and rare writing ability. To the point, we are in fact living in what other writers have deemed a "Misandry Bubble", which is an age wherein men are maligned, belittled, hated or simply not valued in America. It is easily witnessed in the media where men are depicted as stupid and woman as smart, in life expectancy wherein women live 7 years longer than men with little acknowledgment, this despite the much larger pool of research funding for women's health issues than men's, where there is "Women in Science Day" yet no "Men in Nursing" or "Men in Education" Day, where men are still told to ask and then pay for all dates despite the feminist notion of equality, where alimony and child custody laws shield women and actually incentivize divorce and in the overall societal notion that women are always good and right while men are wrong. Apparently, American society hasn't yet grasped the increasingly modern narrative that men can be victims and oppressed despite overwhelming statistical facts to the contrary.

    To be fair, the aforementioned backlash against men is not unexpected as it is a logical manifestation of a historically "perceived" unequal gender rights. Whether this inequality actually existed in history to the extent often portrayed in women's studies classes is not clear as arguments have been made on both sides of the gender isle as to which gender, if any at all, was actually "oppressed" or whether each gender simply performed its own unique role necessary for species survival at the time. In any case, the backlash against men has now officially entered bubble territory. But the problem with bubbles is that nobody believes they are real until they pop. But like the Housing and Tech Bubbles and Tulip Bubble of centuries before, all bubbles eventually pop, and generally with devastating consequences. The Misandry Bubble is now several decades in the making and has hurt both men and women, and I submit it is poised to actually hurt women even more than men in the future as the pool of "marriageable", economically viable men shrinks and women are forced to choose from an ever smaller pool of eligible bachelors. Remember, women now far outnumber men in the pool of college graduates and in the cities single women outearn single men. As women generally marry equal or up, the future looks set to be filled with a lot of single old maids unless expectations are adjusted. Witness the black community where similar demographic trends are clear and with devasating consequences due to marriageable women outnumbering the men by a ratio of 2:1. In fact, you can already see the effect of the Misandry Bubble in all races with the declining marriage rate, lowest birth rate in decades, higher divorce rates, etc. as men simply opt out of marriage altogether and never even show up to the "party". Witness talented men like Aestu.

    My advice to Aestu and all the others who are having problems in this dysfunctional gender climate in America is to seek love and perhaps even fortune outside the US. I suggest you travel overseas to realize your true "value" away from this problematic Bubble. Foreign women from Asia and Eastern Europe were not raised in a Misandrist society and do not have the chip on their shoulder that comes from years of indoctrinated entitlement and girl-power that American women have. In fact, statistically, divorce rates are lower for American men marrying Asians than marrying white American women. Take it from me, a successful, white American man who married a highly educated (biochemist), attractive, nice Chinese woman. American men are increasingly looking for such companionship overseas and I suggest you do the same, at least until the bubble fully pops which could take a long time. It worked for me and it's working for many others."
    and then is taken to town for his last paragraph;

    "AG > Bill • 4 months ago −

    Total rubbish. Asian and Eastern European women are as cut-throat as any. Try going on a date with a Russian girl and forgetting to take flowers or open the car door for her. See how long your Thai bride stays if you lose all your money. See how long it takes for your mother-in-law to take up residence in your house ..."

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    Ok, DG's citations made me want to read more comments.

    Aestu is the ****ing man. If he were here, I'd nominate his top rated comments and ask that he be given a MGTOW Iron Cross.

    It reminded me of my days on the Disqus Network posting in the MSM. He destroyed all arguments from those feminists.

    This is also a real gem:


    vspyder • 4 months ago −
    Frankly society has changed that is all.

    By society's standards I would be considered successful. I have a degree, money in the bank, own my own company etc. etc..... I guess the next step is to get married and have kids. But why bother? Why would I want to get tied down to one woman and add unnecessary responsibilities to my life? Also getting married while you have assets is a financial liability these days. Why take that risk? I worked hard for my savings and I don't feel I should share that with anyone.

    To be blunt I just want sex from women and with the internet nothing is easier to obtain. You want ****? it's there 24....7 You want a prostitute? (Oh sorry they call themselves escorts) Well that's a phone call\email away also and now they even have web pages.

    The internet and our tech heavy world has changed everything. Women don't need guys anymore and likewise men don't need women.

    Wait until the next 20-30 years, you ain't seen nothing yet I can assure you.
    And this was the reply to this paragraph:

    TKK > vspyder • a month ago −
    Wow. What about love? I mean real love. Where people care about each other. Sincerely. Unselfishly. Deeply. Completely. To the point of forgoing their right to be with all others (sexually). Have you ever fallen in love? (Not the same thing as real love, I know.) Real love is pretty wonderful. Sometimes it hurts, no doubt. Sometimes it hurts a lot. But also, it's pretty wonderful. But it requires a great deal of renunciation of selfishness. It can be hard to see why one should give up selfishness, but when you finally give it up, then you see how much infinitely better love is. But it's certainly a risky proposition. Marriage - and love - really only makes sense when you aren't likely to be in that 55% or whatever it is of couples that divorce - ie it only makes sense when the two parties entering it actually mean what they say when they promise to be lovers for life. Lovers in the full sense of the term.
    TKK is obviously a ****. The three letters probably stand for three names that feminists usually have.

    That response is just...LOL!

    Edit: I just noticed DG linked the first paragraph, but the response to it is still laughable.
    Last edited by RedNova; 04-21-2013 at 05:31 PM.

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    "John Johnson • 8 months ago −

    Simple question. Why would any man willingly give up his independence to become a haggled family man?
    The life young women have been planning out for us since they were young girls is no longer appealing. We watched our fathers struggle with the burden of a family and children and many of us are just saying no thank you. No longer will we be the haggard family man silently suffering.
    If you have stuck your paw into the trap then by all means you have no other choice than to live up to your responsibilities. If you haven't let me leave you with this quote from Thoreau.
    "If I have got to drag my trap, I will take care that it be a light one and do not nip me in a vital part. But perchance it would be wisest never to put one's paw into it." ~Henry David Thoreau"
    "fel121 • 3 months ago −

    Why is the argument always about what is best for women and how men need to change their behavior to satiate the female?
    She now has the earning potential, the education; all the things she complained about in the 40's and 50's not being available to her, so why now is she complaining about being asked to carry the majority of the load?"
    "Tyler Brown > John Brown • 4 months ago −


    I've had several women I've been involved with complain that "I never talk to them." Darling, I work 50+ hours a week in an extremely demanding business; I have other things to deal with aside from constant small talk about every triviality in your day-to-day existence. Moreover, it is not professional to constantly be glued to your cell phone, waiting for the next ersatz SMS like "how's your day going," or some other meaningless blather. It's shocking how few women understand that - of course, since women are so much less likely than men to be disciplined in the workplace for misconduct (i.e., constantly texting instead of working), I guess it shouldn't be that surprising.

    What's really ironic - or maybe more accurately, sad - is that at some level, most women actually like to be ignored, made fun of, and generally treated like shit. They may claim otherwise, but every time a man treats them nicely and follows them around like a puppy dog, they wind up in the dreaded "friend zone" faster than you can say "sexual frustration." I myself was pretty unsuccessful with women until I discovered this, and learned how to treat women like crap."
    "Bill • 5 months ago −

    Feminism is no longer a movement concerned with "equality". Rather it is now about entitlement and dominance. If Feminism were truly concerned with gender equality, it would now be advocating and funding medical research to allow men to live as long as women. It would also be advocating for more men in femalel-dominated professions like elementary school teaching and nursing. Don't kid yourself, feminism pits the genders against each other because the goal of feminism is no longer about equal treatment of the genders, it is about entitlement, perks and dominance of females over men. Period."
    frank • a month ago −

    "Haha, of course they are more interested in video games, their friends, and WHAT THEY ENJOY. Marriage is increasingly more and more a liability for men.

    I know women have issues seeing past their gynocentric view of the world, but in a world where you get married, your wife become your nagging mother, you lose all your friends, you can't do anything you enjoy anymore, you get divorced, she takes 60% of everything YOU'VE earned...Well, can you see why guys don't want to get married? Rightly so. There is little for men to get out of marriage.

    It's hilarious to read women complaining about this. It really illustrates the mentality that women preach: "Do what I (the woman) wants! There's no other alternative! I am the center of the universe!!""
    "Guest • 2 months ago −

    The reason that men do not "grow up" is that there is no reward for it. What is the point in dedicating our time and effort to being successful in our careers if our reward is an angry and intolerable feminist wife that always whines about contributing your "fair share"? The contribution of men is no longer respected or valued in our society, and therefore we have no motivation to provide. What do you expect?"
    "MartianBachelor • 3 months ago −

    Under our femi-communist system, the fundamental principle and double standard is this: all men are responsible for the well-being of all women, but no woman is responsible for the well-being of any man (much less of "men" in general). Everything flows in one direction only from the servant/slave class to the aristocratic/overlord class.

    Men have a perfect reason and natural right to destroy such an unjust system any way possible. "Real men stand up for the weak and disempowered." Indeed.

    Apathy and passivity of the sort described in the article will certainly result in slow structural decay, decadence, and maybe eventual collapse.

    Good riddance!"
    Okay, that's it. There are no more comments left to read

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    Entertaining women on dinner and movie dates, regularly going to clubs....the man carries the burden for paying for all of that shit. Why bother when if my circumstances change these women won't be around to lend me a helping hand
    Well they told us that men think only with their dicks ! I'ts time for change. Let's prove them wrong that we are better than that. Isn't this what they wanted ?

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