Do you guys socialize or hangout with other guys?

[parkmeister]

My old friends from college are all married or they have moved and I never see them anymore. I live in a suburban area where most of the guys are hitched. After a certain age, it seems that if you're not tied up with a woman, it seems more difficult to make friends than it was in high school, college, etc. Married guys usually do what their wives tell them and don't hang out with single guys.

Do you guys still hangout with other guys or keep to yourself? What do you do for fun?

[Legacy]

I'm college aged but I understand what you mean. I'd guess the best thing to do is join a sport's club, like Tennis or climbing or whatever, and socialize with guys there.

[Spoon]

After a certain age, it seems that if you're not tied up with a woman, it seems more difficult to make friends than it was in high school, college, etc. Married guys usually do what their wives tell them and don't hang out with single guys.

You're like a Russian serf that ran away to the Sich to become a Cossack. They don't want you hanging around the other serfs.

[Jake]

It must be heartbreaking to see all your mates voluntarily give up their freedom to a vagina.

[Thrasher]

It must be heartbreaking to see all your mates voluntarily give up their freedom to a vagina.

That happened to me, man. I used to have dozens of dudes. They all got married and literally fell off the face of the Earth. One or two will call me every couple of years wanting to know if he can come and crash on my couch for a week or two, I say sure, but they never show up - they're either never allowed to leave, or with the kids, it will be too much of a hardship on the bitch wife.

Whatever.

I've banged a lot of chicks over the past 25 years, tall ones, short ones, skinny ones, amazons, blondes, brunettes, redheads, from 18 to 35. I've never found a cunt worthy of trading in my freedom for. Makes no sense to me why guys throw away their lives over these broads and breeding.

[chris_w79]

I try to socialize with male friends as often as I can. Unfortunately "often" translates to "maybe once a month if I'm lucky." I still know a couple single guys, but most are either married or in relationships. (And they might as well be married, because their girlfriends decide what they do.)

[Jso]

my brother, we do all the same things, which usually involves video games. we either talk about video games that we are playing, or we play video games cooperatively.

I didn't have 6 friends in high school. I don't have 6 friends now.

[Superion]

All my married friends have left to be with their wives.

Luckily, I have a few single friends to hang out with.

[fairi5fair]

This whole topic of male friendships disintegrating is becoming a huge interest for me. I think the male friendship drought has been caused by,

A) a lack of a bro code among friends; no honor among thieves.

B) When you have been trained your whole life to be a pliant mangina, you are less likely to assert your need for independence when in a relationship.

C) Boyfriends often acquiesce to hanging out with their girlfriends because they're afraid of being cheated on, even though they feel their friendships slipping away from them.

D) The ever-present social networking factor edges in and redefines friendship; video games have some hand in this as well

E) Competition for scarce jobs has become pretty cutthroat

And the reasons start dwindling off from there as far as I can tell, but reestablishing real, live-and-in-person male-to-male friendships seems key to the whole MRA movement as a whole imo. The way to do this involves a shift in values, though: integrity, honesty, respect, responsibility, etc.; realizing that women nowadays come and go, but a solid friendship can endure for a lifetime.

It's fucking hard to make new friends these days, imo. Especially when you lean introverted, have non-mainstream ways of thinking, and a high IQ; i.e., 95% of our forum members here, lol.

I'm very lucky to have the few friends I have, and by extension I have many acquaintances. For the lot of them, there's only 2 or 3 of them who don't pass the desert island test. In other words, take any person and imagine that you have been stranded on a desert island with them: if your chances of survival seem better by cooperating with them rather than just considering them food from day 1, you got a real friend there.

[Swan Dive]

Sure. Why do you need a woman to hang out with guys? that makes no sense.If guys have a problem with that then they need to get their balls checked.

[bob]

I didn't have 6 friends in high school. I don't have 6 friends now.

Are you a Chris Rock fan?

[bob]

I think that married couples are much more comfortable with other couples.

They view singles as a threat - and they are (often) probably right. The world conspires against committed relationships.

[ContentlyUnattached]

Bleak bleak bleakness!!!

You all have many friends RIGHT HERE at MGTOW Forums!

We are not just friends but fellow brothers and not being alone just takes partaking in this forum - remember me The Cookie Monster says so! lol!

[enitiate]

A lot of men have no friends and don't care to.

They don't seem to feel the void in their lives. My father was like this as is my brother. They may feel something is missing but perhaps it's covered up by some other activity such as shopping in the case of my brother.

I don't think either one had one true intimate friendship sustained over time.

That being said, I have both male and female friends but it takes a lot of effort to find good friends of either sex especially female.

Females are generally so self centered they don't make good friends.

A female friend can teach you a lot about the dark side of women. If you get to know them, they may let you see the really ugly stuff
that only male misogynists are supposed to talk about. Most women will be your friend only when then need you and then they are gone. Same is true with men. It's human nature to move only as far beyond infantile selfishness as needed.

Most men are required to move further than women because society doesn't let them get away with as much.

Also men are more likely to be punished for sharing their innermost thoughts so that tends to keep male friendships on a shallower level.

[sLiPpY]

Definitely empathize parkmeister...

Went through a similar scenario in 2008. Old friends moved away, job changed, etc. Seemed everything that constituted life on the peripheral just vanished all at once. Well within six months.

I was turning 42 that year. Sucked to be fresh out of golf, dirt-biking, buddies... My friends were always married after my later twenties. As are the new ones I'm making now...

Friends make life more interesting and enjoyable. Guess like most men I make my friends based on common interest and activities. I'd still go and do in-between, occassionally with others but not often. Then *blam* after a couple of years passed. New people just started showing up in life.

Group of us will catch a guys night out at the movies, or go play golf.

I'm not sure what tomorrow will bring. But I do think if one continues to get themself out there. Keep on keeping on; eventually something will click. At 45, I've found new friends who range in age from 30 to 62. Life cycles from spring to summer to fall to winter, to spring again...and spring is always surprising in that you wake up one morning. The sun is shining and it's warm; life's beginning a new phase. When the day before, the whole world looked "dead."

[ContentlyUnattached]

A lot of men have no friends and don't care to.

They don't seem to feel the void in their lives. My father was like this as is my brother. They may feel something is missing but perhaps it's covered up by some other activity such as shopping in the case of my brother.

I don't think either one had one true intimate friendship sustained over time.

That being said, I have both male and female friends but it takes a lot of effort to find good friends of either sex especially female.

Females are generally so self centered they don't make good friends.

A female friend can teach you a lot about the dark side of women. If you get to know them, they may let you see the really ugly stuff
that only male misogynists are supposed to talk about. Most women will be your friend only when then need you and then they are gone. Same is true with men. It's human nature to move only as far beyond infantile selfishness as needed.

Most men are required to move further than women because society doesn't let them get away with as much.

Also men are more likely to be punished for sharing their innermost thoughts so that tends to keep male friendships on a shallower leve.

Plenty of Men are ContentlyUnattached to anyone socially even fellow Men.

IMHO fems in the round about way they say to manipulate Men most of the time in a cunningly silent way: "Give yourselves to the Dark side, it's the only way to save yourself from being alone" of course many Men have bought into this by either in getting Married, Co-Habiting to them and or producing CS payments.

[parkmeister]

Competition for scarce jobs has become pretty cutthroat

Yeah. I have older relatives who made friends with their co-workers and have been lifelong friends. That is somewhat rare today

It's fucking hard to make new friends these days, imo. Especially when you lean introverted, have non-mainstream ways of thinking, and a high IQ; i.e., 95% of our forum members here, lol.

True

[parkmeister]

Friends make life more interesting and enjoyable. Guess like most men I make my friends based on common interest and activities. I'd still go and do in-between, occassionally with others but not often. Then *blam* after a couple of years passed. New people just started showing up in life.

How did this happen? Do you live in a big city?

[parkmeister]

A lot of men have no friends and don't care to.

They don't seem to feel the void in their lives. My father was like this as is my brother. They may feel something is missing but perhaps it's covered up by some other activity such as shopping in the case of my brother.

Yeah and some people seem to keep themselves so busy they don't even think about it.

That being said, I have both male and female friends but it takes a lot of effort to find good friends of either sex especially female.

Yes, and it seems like the older ones gets, the more effort it is to make friends.

Females are generally so self centered they don't make good friends.

Most women will be your friend only when then need you and then they are gone. Same is true with men. It's human nature to move only as far beyond infantile selfishness as needed.

Also it doesn't seem like women want to be friends unless you're already in an established social circle. There are a lot of 20 somethings (men and women) that seem to have an active social life, but it seems like these are people they met in high school or college (if they went away to college).

Also men are more likely to be punished for sharing their innermost thoughts so that tends to keep male friendships on a shallower leve.

True

[xtc]

It's tough living in a big city. People move on the whole time. It takes a couple of years to build a good relationship - and they are gone!

That said I've held on to a good number of true friends since university and we stay in touch.
Church is a great way to get to know people, and I have many many friends at church.
I've made friends on holiday. I'm getting to know the guys at the wargaming society.

It does take a conscious effort, but it's possible to make and keep friends.