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What happens when you drop a male rat into a cage with a receptive female rat? First, you see a frenzy of copulation. Then, progressively, the male tires of that particular female. Even if she wants more, he has had enough. However, replace the original female with a fresh one, and the male immediately revives and gallantly struggles to fertilize her. 
 
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What happens when you drop a male rat into a cage with a receptive female rat? First, you see a frenzy of copulation. Then, progressively, the male tires of that particular female. Even if she wants more, he has had enough. However, replace the original female with a fresh one, and the male immediately revives and gallantly struggles to fertilize her.<br />
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You can repeat this process with fresh females until he nearly dies of exhaustion.<br />
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This is called the Coolidge effect—the automatic response to novel mates. It’s what started you down the road to getting hooked on Internet porn.<br />
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Like that lab rat, you have a primitive mechanism in your brain urging you to fertilize the two-dimensional females, males (or whatever) on your screen. (Note: The Coolidge effect also occurs in females. Studies show that, when given the opportunity, human females are just as promiscuous as males.)<br />
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Primitive circuits in your brain govern emotions, drives, impulses, and subconscious decision-making. They do their jobs so efficiently that evolution hasn't seen the need to change them much since before humans were humans.<br />
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<b>More dopamine, please</b><br />
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For you, rats, and all mammals, the desire and motivation to have sex arises from a neurochemical called dopamine. Dopamine amps up the centerpiece of the primitive part of the brain—the reward circuitry. It’s where we experience cravings and pleasure, and where we get addicted.<br />
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The ancient reward circuitry compels you to do things that further your survival and pass on your genes. At the top of our human reward list are food, sex, love, friendship, and novelty. These are called ‘natural reinforcers,’ as contrasted with addictive chemicals.<br />
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The evolutionary purpose of dopamine is to motivate you to do what serves your genes. The bigger the squirt the more you want something. No dopamine and you just ignore it. Chocolate cake and ice cream—a big blast. Celery—not so much. Sexual stimulation and orgasm are the biggest natural blast of dopamine available to your reward circuitry. One of dopamine's nicknames is the &quot;molecule of addiction.&quot;<br />
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Although dopamine may be referred to as the &quot;pleasure molecule,&quot; this may not be technically accurate. Dopamine is more the craving for pleasure, or measure of potential value. Although controversial, it appears that the final reward or good feelings arises from opioids. Dopamine is wanting, opioids are liking. Addiction may be thought of as wanting run amok.<br />
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<b>Novelty, novelty, more novelty</b><br />
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Dopamine surges for novelty. A new car, just-released movie, the latest gadget…we are all hooked on dopamine. As with everything new the thrill fades away as dopamine plummets.<br />
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Here’s how the Coolidge effect works: The rat’s reward circuitry is squirting less and less dopamine with respect to the current female, but produces a big dopamine surge for a new female. Does that sound familiar?<br />
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Not surprisingly, rats and humans aren't that different when it comes to response to novel sexual stimuli. For example, when Australian researchers (graph) displayed the same erotic film repeatedly, test subjects' penises and subjective reports both revealed a progressive decrease in sexual arousal. The &quot;same old same old&quot; just gets boring. Habituation indicates declining dopamine.<br />
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After 18 viewings—just as the test subjects were nodding off—researchers introduced novel erotica for the 19th and 20th viewings. Bingo! The subjects and their penises sprang to attention. (Yes, women showed similar effects.)<br />
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Internet porn is especially enticing to the reward circuitry because novelty is always just a click away. It could be a novel “mate,” unusual scene, strange sexual act, or—you fill in the blank. With multiple tabs open and clicking for hours, you can experience more novel sex partners every ten minutes than our hunter-gatherer ancestors experienced in a lifetime.<br />
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What’s a brain to do when it has unlimited access to a superstimulating reward it never evolved to handle? Some brains eventually adapt, which can lead to addiction.<br />
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I can't emphasize this enough - Internet porn addiction is not a &quot;sex addiction&quot; - it's an Internet addiction. Although masturbation is often involved, this is an addiction to novel pixels on a screen.<br />
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<b>Drugs aren’t the only addictions</b><br />
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It’s common knowledge that dopamine-raising substances, such as alcohol or cocaine, can create addictions. Yet only about 10-15% of humans or rats that use addictive drugs (except nicotine) ever become addicts. Does this mean the rest of us are safe from addiction? When it comes to substance abuse, perhaps yes.<br />
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Yet when it comes to unrestricted access to superstimulating versions of natural rewards, such as junk food, or even video games, the answer is no, although certainly not every user gets hooked.<br />
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The reason highly stimulating versions of food and sex can hook us—even if we're not otherwise susceptible to addiction—is that our reward circuitry evolved to drive us toward food and sex, not drugs. Today’s high fat/sugar foods (75% of American adults are overweight, 35% obese) and Internet porn (you’re reading this) have the potential to hook even more people than do drugs. These supernormal versions of natural rewards can override our brain’s satiation mechanisms—the “I’m done” feeling—because concentrated calories and fertilization opportunities are your genes’ top priorities.<br />
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<b>All addictions lead to the same major brain changes</b><br />
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Recent research reveals that behavioral addictions (food addiction, pathological gambling, video gaming, and Internet addiction) and substance addictions involve the same fundamental mechanisms leading to a collection of shared alterations in brain anatomy and chemistry. These brain changes include:<br />
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    Desensitization (&quot;A numbed pleasure response&quot;): Among other changes, dopamine and dopamine (D2) receptors decline in the brain's reward circuitry, leaving the addict less sensitive to pleasure, and &quot;hungry&quot; for dopamine-raising activities/substances of all kinds. The addict then tends to neglect interests, stimuli, and behaviors that were once of high personal relevance.<br />
    Sensitization (&quot;A super memory of pleasure&quot;): Rewired nerve connections cause the reward circuitry to buzz in response to addiction-related cues or thoughts. This Pavlovian memory makes the addiction more compelling than other activities in the addict's life.<br />
    Hypofrontality (&quot;Willpower erodes&quot;): Alterations in frontal-lobe gray matter and white matter correlate to reduced impulse control and the weakened ability to foresee consequences.<br />
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Are these the only brain changes? No. Each of these broad-brush indicators reflect multiple subtler addiction-related cellular and chemical alterations—just as the scan of a cancer tumor wouldn't show associated subtler cellular/chemical changes.<br />
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Most of the subtler changes can't be assessed in human models due to the invasiveness of the technologies required. However, they have been identified in animal models.<br />
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<b>Same master switch for sex/food as for drug addiction: DeltaFosB</b><br />
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The master switch that triggers many of these addiction-related changes is the protein DeltaFosB. Continued over-consumption of natural rewards (sex, sugar, high-fat, aerobic exercise) or chronic administration of virtually any drug of abuse causes DeltaFosB to accumulate in the reward circuitry. It's important to understand that addictive drugs only cause addiction because they magnify or inhibit mechanisms already in place for natural rewards.<br />
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DeltaFosB's evolutionary purpose is to motivate us to &quot;get it while the getting is good!&quot; It's a binge mechanism for food and reproduction, which worked well in other times and environments. With the advent of super-normal versions of natural rewards, it makes addictions to junk food and Internet porn as easy as 1-2-3. This is why the American Society of Addiction Medicine unambiguously states that food and sex addictions are true addictions (see below).<br />
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<b>Your hijacked binge mechanism: Dopamine activates DeltaFosB </b><br />
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A &quot;binge mechanism&quot; is an evolutionary advantage in situations where survival is furthered by overriding normal satiety. Think of wolves, which need to stow away up to twenty pounds of a single kill at one go. Or our ancestors, who needed to store high-quality calories as a few extra pounds for easy transport to survive hard times. Or mating season, when there's a harem to impregnate. In the past, such opportunities were rare and passed quickly.<br />
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Our environments have drastically changed. The Internet offers endless mating opportunities, which your primitive brain perceives as real because you find them so exciting. As any good mammal would, you automatically attempt to spread your genes far and wide, but there’s no end to your mating season.<br />
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Click, click, click, masturbate, click, click, click, masturbate, click, click, click. Day in and day out, never taking a break. This can kick your binge mechanism into overdrive. Evolution never prepared your primitive brain for this kind of nonstop stimulation.<br />
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Excess consumption (food or sex) is the signal to your primitive brain that you have hit the evolutionary jackpot. With continued daily over-consumption dopamine triggers the accumulation of DeltaFosb, which initiates several brain changes, including sensitization.<br />
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Overconsumption &#8594; dopamine &#8594; DeltaFosB &#8594; addiction-related changes<br />
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The obvious question is: &quot;How much is too much?&quot; The answer is simple: &quot;Whatever amount of stimulation causes the accumulation of DeltafosB and the corresponding brain changes.&quot;<br />
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This is why posing such questions as &quot;What is the definition porn?&quot; or &quot;How much porn use constitutes an addiction?&quot; are misleading and irrelevant. The former is like asking whether it's slot machines or blackjack that leads to a gambling addiction.  The latter is like asking a food addict how many minutes she spends eating.<br />
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The reward circuitry doesn't know what porn is. It only registers levels of stimulation through dopamine spikes. This is physiology, not morality or sexual politics.<br />
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<b>Sensitization: A Pavlovian super-memory is formed</b><br />
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Learning, memory, and habits can be summed up in the old, but true, saying - &quot;Nerve cells that fire together, wire together&quot;<br />
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The rewiring behind addiction arises partly from overproduction of natural chemicals (delta FosB), and the strengthening the connections between nerve cells, making it easier for them to communicate. This is what happens in all learning. It’s called neuroplasticity. The more intense the experience, the stronger the connections. The stronger the connections, the easier it is for electrical impulses to travel along this new pathway.<br />
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If habitual porn viewing has caused addiction-related brain changes, you have forged a rut in your brain. Just as water flows through the path of least resistance, so do impulses, and thus thoughts. As with any skill, the more you practice the easier it is do. Soon it becomes automatic, without any conscious thought. You've formed a deep pornography rut in your brain: a sensitized neural pathway.<br />
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Sensitized pathways can be thought of as Pavlovian conditioning on steroids. When activated by thoughts or triggers, sensitized pathways blast the reward circuit, firing up hard-to-ignore cravings.<br />
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<b>More pleasure leads to less pleasure (desensitization)</b><br />
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As sensitization and cravings compel you to use porn, overstimulation of the reward circuitry leads to a localized rebellion. The nerve cells bombarded by dopamine say &quot;enough is enough.&quot;  If someone continues to scream, you cover your ears. When dopamine-sending nerve cells keep pumping out dopamine, the receiving nerve cells cover their &quot;ears&quot; by reducing dopamine (D2) receptors.<br />
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The cycle of desensitization mimics other addictions:<br />
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bingeing&#8594; cravings&#8594; numbed pleasure response&#8594; cravings&#8594; bingeing escalates&#8594; further decline in dopamine &amp; dopamine receptors&#8594; further desensitization...<br />
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And soon you are hooked on porn, because nothing else is anywhere near as interesting to your brain. From your genes’ perspective, it’s the perfect design—to keep you fertilizing frantically—before this &quot;valuable mating opportunity&quot; slips away.<br />
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As desensitization numbs you to everyday pleasures, sensitization makes your brain hyper-reactive to anything associated with your porn addiction. Over time, this dual-edged mechanism can have your reward circuitry buzzing at the hint of porn use, but less than enthused when presented with the real deal. Desensitization is not &quot;damage&quot;. If your cells wanted, they could rebuild loss dopamine receptors in a few minutes. Rather, desensitization represents a negative feed back system in overdrive.<br />
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If these two neuroplastic changes could speak, desensitization would be moaning, &quot;I can't get no satisfaction&quot; (low dopamine signaling), while sensitization would be poking you in the ribs and saying, &quot;Hey buddy, I got just what you need,&quot; which happens to be the very thing that caused the desensitization.<br />
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A numbed pleasure response (desensitization), combined with a deep pathway leading to short-term relief (sensitization), is the basis of all addictions.<br />
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<b>Escalation and rewiring</b><br />
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Developing tolerance (numbed pleasure response) means an addict needs more of his/her &quot;drug&quot; to get the same effect. Heavy porn users sometimes notice that as tolerance builds for their earlier tastes, they move in new directions in their search for intense arousal. Many seek out what shocks them—perhaps because &quot;forbidden&quot; and &quot;fear-producing,&quot; plus sexual arousal, offer a bigger brain-chemical kick...at least for a time.<br />
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Porn addiction escalation is like running on a hamster wheelSo, it's not unusual to start out your porn career with an image of a famous hottie's fine butt—and months later find you have &quot;progressed&quot; to girls with goats or violent rape scenes. Keep in mind that that when an addict escalates to new genres or longer use he is driven by desensitization. His fundamental sexual orientation has not changed.<br />
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The more intense the associated events (orgasm + video), or the more they are repeated, the stronger the wiring. Each experience wires the new tastes into the brain. If your sexual tastes have changed, so has your brain.<br />
Definition of addiction?<br />
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Many still believe that only chemicals, not behaviors such as Internet porn, can cause addiction. However, neuroscientists who study the effects of addiction on the brain know differently. Experts in the field define addiction in many ways.
			
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Richard Corbett, a senior adviser to EU Council President Herman Van Rompuy, said: “We’re not planning for a Greek exit, nobody is planning for a Greek exit. 
 
“That would not help Greece, it would not help the rest of the European Union and, technically by the way, it’s an extraordinarily difficult thing to do. The idea of planning a Greek exit would risk being a self-fulfilling prophecy.” 
 
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			A TOP European Union official sparked fury yesterday, claiming no contingency plans were being made for a Greek exit from the euro.<br />
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Richard Corbett, a senior adviser to EU Council President Herman Van Rompuy, said: “We’re not planning for a Greek exit, nobody is planning for a Greek exit.<br />
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“That would not help Greece, it would not help the rest of the European Union and, technically by the way, it’s an extraordinarily difficult thing to do. The idea of planning a Greek exit would risk being a self-fulfilling prophecy.”<br />
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EU critic and Tory MP Douglas Carswell said that if Mr Corbett was speaking the truth we “should be genuinely worried”. <br />
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He said: “These officials should prepare a safety net for any eventuality. <br />
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“If they are not doing so in this case, then they are idiots as well as fools.”<br />
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Bank of England Governor Sir Mervyn King confirmed yesterday that plans were being drawn up by the Bank, the Treasury and Financial Services Authority to cope with financial meltdowns such as the break-up of the eurozone. He said the contingency plan had been under discussion “for some time”.<br />
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If they are not doing so in this case, then they are idiots as well as fools<br />
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Another report last night claimed that millions of drachma banknotes were being printed by a British firm in preparation for Greece leaving the euro and reviving its currency.<br />
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A source said the drachmas were printed by De La Rue, the world’s largest banknote provider, and are in storage near Bolton. <br />
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It is thought that the pallets will be held in the UK for the moment rather than being sent to Greece, to avoid fuelling speculation. <br />
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The plant is on an industrial estate 30 minutes from Manchester Airport so the notes could be airlifted to Athens within a few hours.
			
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The last thing my mom said to me was, “When I was young …” and then she died. I had no idea what she was trying to tell me. Then I found a letter she had written to a friend saying that the *man she was in love with is my actual biological father.* 
 
*My dad and I were in shock with the DNA results* and now I have spent countless hours trying to find out who this man is. I can’t ask anyone as they are all dead and my dad said it must have been *this guy who was in town for a short time* while attending ammunition-inspector school in Savanna, Ill., but didn’t know a name.</description>
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The last thing my mom said to me was, “When I was young …” and then she died. I had no idea what she was trying to tell me. Then I found a letter she had written to a friend saying that the <font color="#FF0000"><b>man she was in love with is my actual biological father.</b></font><br />
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<font color="#FF0000"><b>My dad and I were in shock with the DNA results</b></font> and now I have spent countless hours trying to find out who this man is. I can’t ask anyone as they are all dead and my dad said it must have been <font color="#FF0000"><b>this guy who was in town for a short time</b></font> while attending ammunition-inspector school in Savanna, Ill., but didn’t know a name. <br />
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I hired an archival researcher and a private investigator but no one can help me. Can you help me? I found out that many people came from all over the U.S. to attend this school and all I need is a list of names from around November 1961.  Please, please help me.<br />
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(2) <b>Treat women like shit.</b> Look at it this way: Either she'll fuck you at some point, or she won't. If she does, you've gotten a return on your time investment. If she doesn't, so what? Plenty of fish in the sea, and besides, <b>you're just treating her the way she deserves to be treated.</b><!-- google_ad_section_end --></div>

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The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii' (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii)]]></description>
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			<title>HAPPILY Going Your Own Way</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 23:27:18 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Even if we want nothing to do with following the "script" that is expected for men we still have to "blend in" to fulfill basic needs in our society. This means that we cannot allow negativity to poison us on the inside since it will show on the outside.  
 
As much as we may hate societal BS, people who still believe in it are a fact of life. IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME. 
 
* Don't be stiff 
* Think of how free you are, and SMILE 
* Make a habit of greeting people 
* Be polite 
* Let go of anger, it will only poison you. 
* Find a passion]]></description>
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As much as we may hate societal BS, people who still believe in it are a fact of life. IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME.<br />
<ul><li>Don't be stiff</li>
<li>Think of how free you are, and SMILE</li>
<li>Make a habit of greeting people</li>
<li>Be polite</li>
<li>Let go of anger, it will only poison you.</li>
<li>Find a passion</li>
<li>Learn new skills</li>
<li>Be utterly self-reliant</li>
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			<title>Cost of Greek exit from euro put at $1tn</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:26:59 GMT</pubDate>
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The British government is making urgent preparations to cope with the fallout of a possible Greek exit from the single currency, after the governor of the Bank of England, Sir Mervyn King, warned that Europe was "tearing itself apart". 
 
Reports from Athens that massive sums of money were being spirited out of the country intensified concern in London about the impact of a splintering of the eurozone on a UK economy that is stuck in double-dip recession. One estimate put the cost to the eurozone of Greece making a disorderly exit from the currency at $1tn, 5% of output. 
 
Officials in the United States are also nervously watching the growing crisis: Barack Obama on Wednesday described it as a "headwind" that could threaten the fragile American recovery.]]></description>
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The British government is making urgent preparations to cope with the fallout of a possible Greek exit from the single currency, after the governor of the Bank of England, Sir Mervyn King, warned that Europe was &quot;tearing itself apart&quot;.<br />
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Reports from Athens that massive sums of money were being spirited out of the country intensified concern in London about the impact of a splintering of the eurozone on a UK economy that is stuck in double-dip recession. One estimate put the cost to the eurozone of Greece making a disorderly exit from the currency at $1tn, 5% of output.<br />
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Officials in the United States are also nervously watching the growing crisis: Barack Obama on Wednesday described it as a &quot;headwind&quot; that could threaten the fragile American recovery.<br />
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In a speech in Manchester before flying to the United States for a summit of G8 leaders, the British prime minister, David Cameron, will say the eurozone &quot;either has to make up or it is looking at a potential breakup&quot;, adding that the choice for Europe's leaders cannot be long delayed.<br />
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&quot;Either Europe has a committed, stable, successful eurozone with an effective firewall, well capitalised and regulated banks, a system of fiscal burden sharing, and supportive monetary policy across the eurozone, or we are in uncharted territory which carries huge risks for everybody.
			
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			<title>Spain falls into recession amid fears of eurozone bank run</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:24:19 GMT</pubDate>
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"Markets are worried about eurozone bank deposit runs and an escalating banking crisis," London-based VTB Capital economist Neil MacKinnon told AFP. 
  
Heavy withdrawals of deposits have been reported in Greece and Spain, and top European Union leaders were to hold a videoconference. 
  
They were initially to discuss an upcoming G8 meeting of industrialised countries but were now faced with a serious deterioration of the situations in Greece and elsewhere across the eurozone.]]></description>
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&quot;Markets are worried about eurozone bank deposit runs and an escalating banking crisis,&quot; London-based VTB Capital economist Neil MacKinnon told AFP.<br />
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Heavy withdrawals of deposits have been reported in Greece and Spain, and top European Union leaders were to hold a videoconference.<br />
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They were initially to discuss an upcoming G8 meeting of industrialised countries but were now faced with a serious deterioration of the situations in Greece and elsewhere across the eurozone.<br />
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A caretaker government took office in Athens on Thursday to organise its second election in six weeks after an inconclusive May 6 vote as fears over its possible euro exit rocked Spain and Italy.<br />
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The election left Greece in limbo and the new poll on June 17 offers no guarantee of a viable government able to implement an EU-IMF bailout which has divided the country.<br />
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The International Monetary Fund announced Thursday that it would hold off on official contacts with Greece until after the June 17 elections.<br />
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The IMF, which along with the EU is all that stand between Greece and a disorderly default and eurozone exit, have warned that no new funds will be released from the latest 240-billion euro ($305-billion) bailout if progress on pledged reforms and tough austerity measures falters.<br />
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Meanwhile, Europe's single currency nosedived to a now four-month low at $1.2667 before recovering some ground.<br />
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&quot;Confidence in European equities (is) quickly depleting, this time after the European Central Bank admitted it had stopped providing liquidity to some Greek banks,&quot; noted analyst Craig Erlam at trading group Alpari.<br />
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The ECB said Wednesday that it was no longer dealing with some Greek banks via the conventional credit window, Dow Jones Newswires reported, and has restricted the banks to &quot;emergency lending assistance&quot; from Greece's central bank that must be approved from month to month.<br />
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&quot;Add this to the long list of other eurozone problems and investors are finding it very difficult to justify taking on the additional risk associated with the eurozone,&quot; Erlam said
			
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 16:50:55 GMT</pubDate>
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Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has a status update for Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin: Stop attempting to dodge your taxes by renouncing your U.S. citizenship or never come to back to the U.S. again. 
  
In September 2011, Saverin relinquished his U.S. citizenship before the company announced its planned initial public offering of stock, which will debut this week. The move was likely a financial one, as he owns an estimated 4 percent of Facebook and stands to make $4 billion when the company goes public. Saverin would reap the benefit of tax savings by becoming a permanent resident of Singapore, which levies no capital gains taxes. 
  
At a news conference this morning, Sens. Schumer and Bob Casey, D-Pa., will unveil the “Ex-PATRIOT” – “Expatriation Prevention by Abolishing Tax-Related Incentives for Offshore Tenancy” – Act to respond directly to Saverin’s move, which they dub a “scheme” that would “help him duck up to $67 million in taxes.” 
  
The senators will call Saverin’s move an “outrage” and will outline their plan to re-impose taxes on expatriates like Saverin even after they flee the United States and take up residence in a foreign country. Their proposal would also impose a mandatory 30 percent tax on the capital gains of anybody who renounces their U.S. citizenship.</description>
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			Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has a status update for Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin: Stop attempting to dodge your taxes by renouncing your U.S. citizenship or never come to back to the U.S. again.<br />
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In September 2011, Saverin relinquished his U.S. citizenship before the company announced its planned initial public offering of stock, which will debut this week. The move was likely a financial one, as he owns an estimated 4 percent of Facebook and stands to make $4 billion when the company goes public. Saverin would reap the benefit of tax savings by becoming a permanent resident of Singapore, which levies no capital gains taxes.<br />
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At a news conference this morning, Sens. Schumer and Bob Casey, D-Pa., will unveil the “Ex-PATRIOT” – “Expatriation Prevention by Abolishing Tax-Related Incentives for Offshore Tenancy” – Act to respond directly to Saverin’s move, which they dub a “scheme” that would “help him duck up to $67 million in taxes.”<br />
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The senators will call Saverin’s move an “outrage” and will outline their plan to re-impose taxes on expatriates like Saverin even after they flee the United States and take up residence in a foreign country. <font color="#FF0000">Their proposal would also impose a mandatory 30 percent tax on the capital gains of anybody who renounces their U.S. citizenship.<br />
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The plan would bar individuals like Saverin from ever reentering the United States again.</font><br />
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“Eduardo recently found it more practical to become a resident of Singapore since he plans to live there for an indefinite period of time,” Tom Goodman, Saverin’s spokesman, told Bloomberg News in an email.<br />
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Last year 1,700 people renounced their U.S. citizenship.
			
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			<title>taken to the cleaners... again</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 16:39:24 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Divorce Source: Dont know what to do anymore (http://www.divorcesource.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=759092&an=0&page=0#759092) 
 
"Hi need some advise and answers or help..as much as I hate too say it looks like I am going through my second divorce and I am confused on what to do my soon to be x cheated on me and has made me feel that it was all my fault that this was done and the fact that the man she done it with was my so called best friend. 
 
We have been split up for going on a year now and it does not seem to be getting any better but as mush as i dont want this to happen i see no way of stopping it but i do know that i do not want to roll over and play dead and let the x get everything *like what happen in the divorce from the first*. 
 
 I am tired of feeling like the one to be steped on and walked all over and because i am a man i can not seem to find anyone that can help I just need answers on what to do or a group to talk to like make be a place where people who have gone through things like this can just talk I feel like this is eating me alive on the inside and dont know where to turn or what to do ..no i have 2 children that are 6 and 5 and i *dont want to lose out on there lives like i did my older two kids* Please help." 
 
 
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&quot;Hi need some advise and answers or help..as much as I hate too say it looks like I am going through my second divorce and I am confused on what to do my soon to be x cheated on me and has made me feel that it was all my fault that this was done and the fact that the man she done it with was my so called best friend.<br />
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We have been split up for going on a year now and it does not seem to be getting any better but as mush as i dont want this to happen i see no way of stopping it but i do know that i do not want to roll over and play dead and let the x get everything <b>like what happen in the divorce from the first</b>.<br />
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 I am tired of feeling like the one to be steped on and walked all over and because i am a man i can not seem to find anyone that can help I just need answers on what to do or a group to talk to like make be a place where people who have gone through things like this can just talk I feel like this is eating me alive on the inside and dont know where to turn or what to do ..no i have 2 children that are 6 and 5 and i <b>dont want to lose out on there lives like i did my older two kids</b> Please help.&quot;<br />
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 16:10:26 GMT</pubDate>
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Her mother, Elizabeth Weir, is also suing the school for lost income and other expenses. 
 
She said she gave up her chocolate fortune cookie business - which she had expected to make A$450,000 (NZ$583,681) over three years - because her daughter moved from Geelong to live with her in New South Wales. 
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She said she gave up her chocolate fortune cookie business - which she had expected to make A$450,000 (NZ$583,681) over three years - because her daughter moved from Geelong to live with her in New South Wales.<br />
			
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</div>Let me get this straight: girls sues school because she still sucks at math.  Girl's mother also sues because she stopped selling fortune cookies for some undisclosed reason.<br />
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 13:04:43 GMT</pubDate>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 04:13:41 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Dumbass upper crust feminist intentionally totally misses the point with a book review article in gaurdianland (again), but some readers ride to the rescue (in the comments) calling bullshit, whilst the feminists wade in to her defence waving victim cards that dont stand up to scrutiny.  
 
Another melee that makes me glad I follow my own path having hopefully understood the nature of the beast (male and female)and care not for thier cares. 
  
 
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"Are men the new women? Are they having a harder time than silly moaning ladies? Has feminism gone too far? Has political correctness been put away for its own good? These are such familiar cultural tropes that we may dismiss the word trope altogether. Instead I would use another word: tripe.]]></description>
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Another melee that makes me glad I follow my own path having hopefully understood the nature of the beast (male and female)and care not for thier cares.<br />
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&quot;Are men the new women? Are they having a harder time than silly moaning ladies? Has feminism gone too far? Has political correctness been put away for its own good? These are such familiar cultural tropes that we may dismiss the word trope altogether. Instead I would use another word: tripe.<br />
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Still, abundant tripe trickles down from on high, even academe. Every so often a new tome details how men, not women, are discriminated against (apart from rape, murder, equal pay, genital mutilation, the power imbalance in politics, business, education, law and arts they may have a point). Things are tough for some guys. Really, I know that. I just find it hard to accept feminism has gone too far, that a bit of underarm hair signals the end of western civilisation.&quot;<br />
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Dzjebe<br />
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16 May 2012 9:06PM<br />
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This is difficult..<br />
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I am a feminist. And I laugh at men saying they have a hard time (MOEHAHAHAHA!). But I am mum of two teenage boys, and yes.. they have a hard time too. They don't understand girls, and I can't blame them.<br />
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They are supposed to take the lead, but if they do, they are dominating. They are supposed to pick up the tab, but if they do they are misogynists. They need to show their feelings, but when they do they are clingy. They need to be attentive, but may not ask what she wants, because if they do then 'they have not been listening'. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.<br />
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And I can't help them. Apart from the 'girls are different' line. So I ended up telling them that girls like dogs. That if you ignore them, they will love you. If you treat them bad, they will return for more. (I also told them that they should stear away from girls like that.. and look for a nice healthy feminist type..).<br />
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Anyway. Boys are people too. I think.<br />
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16 May 2012 9:09PM<br />
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    Are men the new women?<br />
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Not HALF. You've hit the nail on the head without knowing there was a nail there, because:<br />
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    It is perfectly possible to understand that many men are suffering at the moment without blaming it on feminism<br />
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... because the most powerful men in the world, e.g. Barack Obama and David Cameron, have adopted feminism as their driving ideology. Obama and Cameron are the new women. (They want women's votes by exaggerating crime levels, by making up new crimes and they know that large nunbers of men will stoically accept any measure dumping on them if it will make them appear chivalrous white knights.)<br />
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    Things are tough for some guys. Really, I know that.<br />
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Because you've empty the same bins, dug the same roads and mined the same coal? And had some limbs blown off in the same wars?<br />
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    It is entirely possible to understand that many men are suffering at the moment without scapegoating feminism. That is the David Willetts manoeuvre: unemployment largely affecting working-class men is somehow the fault of middle-class women.<br />
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Oooh, you've picked a FINE example there Suzanne. Instead of David Willetts, you might try Rich Zubaty, Warren Farrell, Paul Elam or Steve Moxon. Please tell your boss to invite any of these men to write an article. It will be FAR more bold and interesting than anything Willetts would have to say.<br />
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(And harder to challenge.)<br />
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    It is entirely possible to understand that many men are suffering at the moment without scapegoating feminism.<br />
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Possible? But probably quite hard. David Cameron wants big companies to sideline male managers in favour of women. Labour is no different. This is feminist ideology driving both the Conservative and Labour parties.<br />
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Universities ALREADY discriminate in favour of women for entrance places DESPITE the fact that men have different brain cognitive abilities from women, that are more suited to physical science and engineering. And schools and politicians are encouraging GIRLS, not boys, into advanced study.<br />
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    One of the ways men are more discriminated against is that there are more of them in prison than women. I may be missing something here, but I thought it was to do with them doing more crime? <br />
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You thought right but you stopped to question nothing. Men have social PRESSURES on them to be performers. Those who cannot achieve through education and business still have the same pressures. So they commit crime. They steal money to attract a mate. They may use violence if the pressure is desperate, getting them a harsher sentence. Moreover, there is little by way of rehabillitation set up be governments to ensure return to honest life by working. Long sentencing -- proven to provoke ricidivism -- is how politicians get their votes.<br />
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    To be anti-sexist means to fight sexism, not to try to commandeer it.<br />
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We're daily subjected to reports from feminists who set a VERY VERY bad example on this, I'm afraid. When did you support Tom Martin's fight against the LSE's blatantly misandric gender studies course?<br />
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NEVER. And you never will.<br />
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Because feminism IS sexism. Not because it recognizes that men and women are broadly different (which they are). Indeed, it tries to pretend there's very little difference. But because it never ceases to push from government for more and more favourable treatment for women to be made law.<br />
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16 May 2012 9:20PM<br />
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Agree again (this is nice ;o) ). The Men's Rights Movement have no notions of removing any of the rights of women or of putting them to disadvantage. They want to get rid of the notion that men are disposable, that anything bad that happens to men is their fault for having a cock (feminism does seem big on collective guilt) and that in such a case some woman somewhere is the 'real' victim.<br />
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Hilary Clinton recently said (in reference to WW1) that it wasn't the men who died, were maimed, blinded, shell-shocked etc who really suffered. It was their wives and mums - they lost a breadwinner and provider.<br />
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16 May 2012 9:35PM<br />
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    ...apart from rape, murder, equal pay, genital mutilation, the power imbalance in politics, business, education, law and arts they may have a point. <br />
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Not guilty, not guilty, not guilty (I earn, on average, £800 per month, my wife, £3500), not guilty (in societies where FGM is carried out, the women are usually complicit), not guilty (I voted for Caroline Lucas), not guilty, not guilty (my daughters were all encouraged in whatever educational pursuits they chose to follow), not guilty (though I think the law takes a far more lenient attitude towards female miscreants than it does male and women always win in divorce/child custody, even when 'it's all their fault')) and not guilty (though women do seem to do rather better in some arts than others).<br />
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I suspect 99% of men could also plead not guilty to most of the above too, so in stead of blaming 3bn people for everything that ever went wrong in the life of 'everywoman', maybe you could take a closer look at who is actually responsible. You may be surprised to find some treachery in The Sisterhood.<br />
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And whilst we're about it, I'v never been guilty of burning women at the stake either, though I believe there have been a few queens who had a hand in doing so.<br />
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Then there's the elephant in the room; the (in my experience) quite high numbers of feminists who can't land/keep a man and channel the bitterness into fighting for &quot;the cause&quot;.<br />
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			<description><![CDATA[Remember? The bozos at the SPLC called the MRM a hate movement, yada yada yada... 
 
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			The last issue of the SPLC&#8217;s Intelligence Report presented a scathing portrait of &#8220;a hard-line fringe&#8221; of the Men&#8217;s Rights Movement (MRM): &#8220;women haters whose fury goes well beyond criticism of the family court system, domestic violence laws, and false rape accusations,&#8221; whose rage is &#8220;directed at all women, not only perceived feminists.&#8221;<br />
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The article, entitled &#8220;Leader&#8217;s Suicide Brings Attention to Men&#8217;s Rights Movement,&#8221; provoked a tremendous response among men&#8217;s rights activists (MRAs) and their sympathizers.<br />
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&#8220;Piggybacking on the two minutes&#8217; hate against Limbaugh,&#8221; the National Review Online sarcastically declared, the &#8220;clueless commissars at the Southern Policy Law Center&#8221; have &#8220;found a new arena of hate groups, comparable to neo-Nazis and the skinheads: the &#8216;manosphere&#8217; of misogynist web sites.&#8221; The website In Mala Fide was defiantly proud: &#8220;Before, our enemies ignored us. Now, they point their gnarled, disgusting fingers at us, sputtering syllables of disapproval.&#8221;<br />
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A Voice for Men&#8217;s Paul Elam tried on a collegial tone at first. &#8220;The goals of SPLC and AVfM are quite similar,&#8221; he averred in open letter to the SPLC&#8217;s president, Richard Cohen. &#8220;We both work to identify groups who seek to oppress others, and inform the public of the inequities they would perpetuate.&#8221; But just days later, in a post headlined &#8220;Southern Poverty Law Center Linked to Hate Activity,&#8221; he changed his tune.<br />
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It should be mentioned that the SPLC did not label MRAs as members of a hate movement; nor did our article claim that the grievances they air on their websites &#8211; false rape accusations, ruinous divorce settlements and the like &#8211; are all without merit. But we did call out specific examples of misogyny and the threat, overt or implicit, of violence.<br />
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Thomas James Ball, for example, who was hailed as a martyr on so many men&#8217;s rights forums, called for arson attacks on courthouses and police stations. The Norwegian mass killer Anders Breivik wrote extensively about the evils of feminism. We included as much as we did about Register-Her.com because it is so intimidating to its targets, not all of whom are criminals. When Elam accused Vliet Tiptree, a pseudonymous contributor to RadFem Hub, of &#8220;calling for extermination of half the human race; the male half, that is,&#8221; he offered a cash reward for her real identity. The names and locations of several candidates were publically aired.<br />
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Elam and the authors of countless angry posts and letters have demanded to know why the SPLC hasn&#8217;t also condemned feminist man-hating (or misandry, to use the MRM&#8217;s preferred term).<br />
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&#8220;You do know that there is a forum out there called &#8216;RadFem Hub&#8217; that actively advocates infanticide, gender-selective abortion and killing/mutilating men and boys, right?&#8221; one letter asked us. &#8220;Read the SCUM Manifesto,&#8221; another said, &#8220;and research the reception it has received over the years, and the regard with which many feminists still hold Valerie Solanas.&#8221;<br />
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Solanas was the undeniably disturbed woman who shot Andy Warhol in 1968. &#8220;Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women,&#8221; her manifesto began, &#8220;there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex.&#8221;<br />
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SCUM stands for &#8220;Society for Cutting Up Men,&#8221; and it is true that Solanas continues to be much-read and quoted in some feminist circles. (&#8220;We don&#8217;t really cut up men,&#8221; the tagline of the Feminazis blog cheekily declares. &#8220;Well, unless they deserve it.&#8221;)<br />
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The existence of hatred on one side of a color, political or gender line hardly justifies its presence on the other. And radical feminists do say hurtful things about men. &#8220;[T]reatments can be developed to mitigate the death-drive of men, their hierarchical psychology, their insensitivity to the pain of living creatures, their pleasure in violence and intimidation, their acquisitiveness, their rape and phallic obsessions,&#8221; Tiptree wrote in a post on RadFem Hub called Radical Feminism Enters the 21st Century. &#8220;[M]y best bet is that what&#8217;s wrong with men is that their androgens need genetic modification. I&#8217;m serious about this. If we can do it with corn, men ought to be easy.&#8221; Few possessors of Y chromosomes could read her words without feeling queasy. But to characterize her essay as a well-developed plan, as Elam and his colleagues do, is not only ridiculous, it is willfully obtuse.<br />
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Cathy Brennan owns the domain RadFem Hub. &#8220;I don&#8217;t hate men,&#8221; she told me. &#8220;I have a father, I have a brother, I have a son. The war that Paul Elam is waging is in his head. I worry about women and children and the increasing violence in our society.&#8221; When I asked her what she thought of Solanas&#8217; &#8220;Scum Manifesto,&#8221; she laughed. &#8220;I view it as A Modest Proposal-type work of literature, a satire. It&#8217;s brilliant, but it&#8217;s not my personal bible.&#8221;<br />
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While men&#8217;s rights activists fantasize about existential threats to the male sex, real gendercide is being committed against girls in China, India, East Asia, the Caucasus and other parts of the world.<br />
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Of course, some radical feminists do hate men, and when MRAs lurk in members-only chat rooms and cherry pick their angriest, most shockingly over-the-top posts to reprint on their own sites, as an MRA &#8220;mole&#8221; did at a forum called RadFemSpeak (which is not affiliated with RadFem Hub), they commit the same injustice they accuse the SPLC of doing to themselves. No one makes a very favorable impression when they&#8217;re spewing bile.<br />
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This is a lesson that some MRAs are beginning to learn for themselves. &#8220;With all of the kooks inhabiting the manosphere, it was easy for the SPLC to smear anti-feminism,&#8221; one MRA site sadly concluded after our article appeared. &#8220;The problem is larger than just AVfM. Even rational anti-feminist blogs and organizations like the False Rape Society and SAVE [Stop Abusive and Violent Environments] are being tarnished with the same brush because the MRM &#8216;leadership&#8217; has failed to deal with the kooks.&#8221;<br />
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&#8220;Women are not feminism. &#8230; To equate the two is beyond ignorant,&#8221; a thoughtful MRA blogger wrote. &#8220;[I]deologically speaking, I have some issues with feminist theory, but honestly, I think it&#8217;s a distraction from working on the real issues that face men. &#8230; issues like: Homelessness &#8211; Men&#8217;s Health &#8211; Education &#8211; Suicides &#8211; Homicides &#8211; Deaths on the Job &#8211; Family Court Inequalities &#8211; Child Custody &#8211; Criminal Justice System &#8211; Incarceration Rates &#8211; Prison Rape and Violence &#8211; Domestic Violence &#8211; Unemployment &#8211; Drug and Alcohol Abuse &#8211; Military Deaths and Service &#8211; Vilification in the Media &#8211; Legal Inequalities. This is what the MRM is all about; this is about social justice and equal protection under the law.&#8221;<br />
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I dare say that if social justice and equal protection under the law were all that the MRM were about, then the SPLC would have had no reason to write about it. If the article inspires more self-criticism in this vein, then perhaps it did the Men&#8217;s Rights Movement a service.
			
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Hypergamy doesn’t care how great a Father you are to your kids. 
 
Hypergamy doesn’t care how you rearranged your college majors and career choice in life to better accommodate her. 
 
Hypergamy doesn’t care how inspired or fulfilled you feel as a stay-at-home Dad. 
 
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<font color="#B22222">Hypergamy doesn’t care how great a Father you are to your kids.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care how you rearranged your college majors and career choice in life to better accommodate her.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care how inspired or fulfilled you feel as a stay-at-home Dad.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care that you moved across 4 states to be closer to your LDR.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care how ‘supportive’ you’ve always been of her decisions or if you identify as a ‘male feminist’.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care about the sincerity of your religious convictions or aspirations of high purpose.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care about those words you said at your wedding.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care about how you funded her going back to college to find a more rewarding career.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care how great a guy you are for adopting the children she had with other men.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care about your divine and forgiving nature in excusing her “youthful indiscretions.”<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care about your magnanimity in assuming responsibility for her student loans, and credit card debt after you’re married.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care if “he was your best friend.”<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care about the coffee in bed you bring her or how great a cook you are.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care about all those chick flicks you sat through with her and claimed to like.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care about how well you do your part of the household chores.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care about how much her family or friends like you.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care if you think you’re a “Good” guy or about how convincing your argument is for your sense of honor.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care whether the children are biologically yours or not.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care if “she was drunk, he was cute, and one thing led to another,..”<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care how sweet, funny or intellectual you are.<br />
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Hypergamy doesn’t care if you “never saw it coming.”<br />
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			<description><![CDATA[So about an hour ago me and my brother went to play frisbee golf after I bought 2 little caesars pepperoni  pizzas. We had one left and saw a homeless woman. She looked raggedy and was laying down on a patch of grass. We had a pizza left and after my  brothers coaxing and my own annoying haloed shoulder riding apparition I decided that she could have the box. As we went over and handed her the box she replied "Oh no thanks I'm full." My brother and I double take and go "You sure?"...For those who like pizza know it has a 2 day exposure limit. She replied "What kind is it?"... "Pepperoni." I replied. She looked at the box and said "Sorry I don't eat meat." 
 
 
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Dumb and Dumber 2. 
 
Jim Carrey 
Jeff Daniels. 
 
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Dumb and Dumber 2.<br />
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Jim Carrey<br />
Jeff Daniels.<br />
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Wow... Look at the body language of the manginas: posture, hand-wringing, etc.  
 
They'd be okay with a men's center as long as it's closely watched, guided, and blessed by the Feminist Queen. They want to make sure it's a safe place for incubating their betaboy slave larva. It's amazingly honest in that regard... 
 
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Wow... Look at the body language of the manginas: posture, hand-wringing, etc. <br />
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They'd be okay with a men's center as long as it's closely watched, guided, and blessed by the Feminist Queen. They want to make sure it's a safe place for incubating their betaboy slave larva. It's amazingly honest in that regard...<br />
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Faced with great expectations, however, Facebook is staring down some potentially unnerving obstacles when it comes to key areas of monetization and growth: public distrust and display advertising apathy.   
 
More than half (57 percent) of Facebook users polled said they never click on ads or other sponsored content when they use the site, according to a new AP-CNBC poll. Another 26 percent said they hardly ever engage in such activity. Only 4 percent of users say they often click on ads — results that are only slightly better than the 2-3 percent clickthrough rate some experts consider the benchmark for effective banner ads. 
 
While the company makes money, in part, simply by displaying sponsored content, user clicks are a critical part of an advertiser’s calculus when gauging the effectiveness of those ads and how much they’re willing to pay for them. In the first quarter, Facebook generated 82 percent of its $1.06 billion in revenue from advertising sales. In the company’s online IPO pitch to retail investors, Chief Financial Officer David Ebersman said the company is working to make ads “more relevant, more social, and more engaging” as it looks to grow. 
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More than half (57 percent) of Facebook users polled said they never click on ads or other sponsored content when they use the site, according to a new AP-CNBC poll. Another 26 percent said they hardly ever engage in such activity. Only 4 percent of users say they often click on ads — results that are only slightly better than the 2-3 percent clickthrough rate some experts consider the benchmark for effective banner ads.<br />
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While the company makes money, in part, simply by displaying sponsored content, user clicks are a critical part of an advertiser’s calculus when gauging the effectiveness of those ads and how much they’re willing to pay for them. In the first quarter, Facebook generated 82 percent of its $1.06 billion in revenue from advertising sales. In the company’s online IPO pitch to retail investors, Chief Financial Officer David Ebersman said the company is working to make ads “more relevant, more social, and more engaging” as it looks to grow.
			
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No Matter What Happens "Independent" Women Never Realize How Little Their Value Is 
 
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No Matter What Happens &quot;Independent&quot; Women Never Realize How Little Their Value Is<br />
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I've decided to post on here to see if I get any honest connections from people that are in a similar situation? <b>I found out I was exposed to herpes and have been open and honest with people I start dating. Unfortunately, this has backfired and I've had some amazing rejections because of my honesty.</b> The truth is, most people carry the virus and don't even know it until an outbreak happens, or they actually decide to get blood work done to test for it (which isn't always reliable). I have known several people to have had HPV (which can cause cancer in some forms), and not report it to their partners? It baffles me as to why herpes has such a bad stigma compared to HPV? <b>I consider myself a cute female with curves, good career, educated, <font color="Red">independent</font> etc...</b> I like outdoor activities as well as staying in on a rainy night with a movie. <b>I'm looking for a well rounded guy who has an established and good career, educated, into exploring the city and trying new bars/restaurants.</b> A travel companion would be great. Please be ok with animals (dog and cat). <b>Please send a description about yourself and a picture!</b><br />
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<font color="Red">Lady, men don't WANT herpes.  You can be lackadasical about YOUR body, but if a man doesn't want herpes, and YOU have herpes, then it's his CHOICE!!  Screw how common it is, men CAN say NO!! to an infected vagina.  What YOU want means nothing.-DS</font><br />
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 18:29:42 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Paul Rusconi, Malibu Artist, Cleared Of Allegations Of Raping His Twin Daughters (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/14/paul-rusconi-malibu-artist_n_1516299.html?ref=mostpopular) 
 
Articles like this always bug me. I HATE IT when people take offense to art and make the artist's life hell. 
 
Now I wonder what would've happened had the genders been switched. I've seen TONS of photos of nude mothers holding their nude children, and no one ever raises a fuss. In fact, on Facebook right now I know a girl who has a kid and has probably a dozen photos of her and her son naked and posing, and no one bats an eye (Maybe because she's a "hot chick"). 
 
And come on, you mean to tell me a man has NEVER taken a bath with his female children before? It's called "raising a child", if you're a single father like this man you're going to have to do it at one time. 
 
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Articles like this always bug me. I HATE IT when people take offense to art and make the artist's life hell.<br />
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Now I wonder what would've happened had the genders been switched. I've seen TONS of photos of nude mothers holding their nude children, and no one ever raises a fuss. In fact, on Facebook right now I know a girl who has a kid and has probably a dozen photos of her and her son naked and posing, and no one bats an eye (Maybe because she's a &quot;hot chick&quot;).<br />
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And come on, you mean to tell me a man has NEVER taken a bath with his female children before? It's called &quot;raising a child&quot;, if you're a single father like this man you're going to have to do it at one time.<br />
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			<description><![CDATA[I don't care for you anymore, you lie, you cheat, and take my money. I don't care for your psycho drama, your constant need for attention, your shallow and insecure personality, borderline crazy.  
 
You can keep your love, Ive found myself now. I don't care what you think about me, the things I like, the way I speak, and the way I act, I am my own man, I am beyond your reach. I'm not the same as I was two years ago, you think you know me but you know nothing. You couldn't understand me then, what makes you think you could understand me now. I just don't care to talk to you anymore, I'm tired of explaining myself to you, not like you ever cared in the first place, but suddenly I am important to you and you're life now that you have fucked up, I'm sorry but I dont ride a white horse and my castle is in ruins.]]></description>
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You can keep your love, Ive found myself now. I don't care what you think about me, the things I like, the way I speak, and the way I act, I am my own man, I am beyond your reach. I'm not the same as I was two years ago, you think you know me but you know nothing. You couldn't understand me then, what makes you think you could understand me now. I just don't care to talk to you anymore, I'm tired of explaining myself to you, not like you ever cared in the first place, but suddenly I am important to you and you're life now that you have fucked up, I'm sorry but I dont ride a white horse and my castle is in ruins.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></div>

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			<description><![CDATA[I've written on here several times about my 5-year-old cousin who, since he was about 2, has been seeing a behavioral psychologist for being "violent" and "unruly". He does have a tendency to go wild, but he's a 5-year-old boy - They're supposed to be like that. My aunt is VERY overprotective, and even before my cousin was born she was reading book after book on child development and trying to raise him to be a perfect child. Unfortunately, she probably got a little too smothering, and as a result he's been acting up to try and rebel (He's even said he prefers being with my uncle, who's more relaxed and who was wild as a kid).  
 
I saw my family at a restaurant for dinner on Mother's Day, and my sister and I sat at the table next to our cousin to keep him company. I took some videos of him singing songs, but a lot of them were ruined by my aunt and uncle telling him to calm down, to stop dancing, etc. He wasn't doing anything too crazy at all, and I'm sure no one at the restaurant minded. But like many young boys today he was told to shut up and sit down when he was trying to express himself. In fact, he was scolded for doing anything he did that didn't involve sitting down, being calm, and eating his food. He was in a new place, hanging around people he hadn't seen in a while, and he was just a little excited, that's all. 
 
My aunt and uncle also had to keep reminding him to say "please" and "thank you", which I notice a lot of people, even adults, forget to say. And this got me thinking - Are society's standards of politeness and courtesy ingrained in our brains, or are they learned traits that have to be hammered into kids' heads to get them to be productive members of society? 
 
If you think about it, children who aren't taught proper manners can end up becoming rude, obnoxious, or in a state of arrested development - A lot of us on here have seen this with women who weren't taught proper boundaries as children, and end up becoming manipulative and demanding. Since they weren't taught proper manners, are they really just acting on human biology? Is being kind and polite going against our very programming? 
 
If you think about it, humans thousands of years ago lived in small tribes and had to fight to survive. This meant that they had to be inherently selfish to make sure they could live long enough to procreate and pass their genetic legacy on for the benefit of the species. I'm pretty sure that if one tribe had all the food, supplies, riches, etc., that other lesser tribes would try and pry it from them. But humans are at a stage where there are too many of us, and we don't have to worry about survival. Because of this we've evolved to a weird place where we can do things counter-intuitive to what our ancestors did, such as getting vasectomies, pulling out, doing drugs/drinking/eating utter crap, etc., or other activities that don't increase our number or that actually harm us. Could manners have come out of this stalemate in the evolutionary cycle? Could children who are being told to shut up and sit down really just be acting like humans would have acted thousands of years ago? While it is nice to not have to deal with screaming kids in a public place, I can understand why so many of our young men are messed up - They're being chastised for being themselves. In fact, the more overprotective a parent is, the more harm they're doing to their child. Going back to my cousin, I've often wondered if he would've been more "well-adjusted" had his mother been more relaxed around him. I can't help but feel that his acting out is him rebelling against the tight leash his mother has on him.]]></description>
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I saw my family at a restaurant for dinner on Mother's Day, and my sister and I sat at the table next to our cousin to keep him company. I took some videos of him singing songs, but a lot of them were ruined by my aunt and uncle telling him to calm down, to stop dancing, etc. He wasn't doing anything too crazy at all, and I'm sure no one at the restaurant minded. But like many young boys today he was told to shut up and sit down when he was trying to express himself. In fact, he was scolded for doing anything he did that didn't involve sitting down, being calm, and eating his food. He was in a new place, hanging around people he hadn't seen in a while, and he was just a little excited, that's all.<br />
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My aunt and uncle also had to keep reminding him to say &quot;please&quot; and &quot;thank you&quot;, which I notice a lot of people, even adults, forget to say. And this got me thinking - Are society's standards of politeness and courtesy ingrained in our brains, or are they learned traits that have to be hammered into kids' heads to get them to be productive members of society?<br />
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If you think about it, children who aren't taught proper manners can end up becoming rude, obnoxious, or in a state of arrested development - A lot of us on here have seen this with women who weren't taught proper boundaries as children, and end up becoming manipulative and demanding. Since they weren't taught proper manners, are they really just acting on human biology? Is being kind and polite going against our very programming?<br />
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If you think about it, humans thousands of years ago lived in small tribes and had to fight to survive. This meant that they had to be inherently selfish to make sure they could live long enough to procreate and pass their genetic legacy on for the benefit of the species. I'm pretty sure that if one tribe had all the food, supplies, riches, etc., that other lesser tribes would try and pry it from them. But humans are at a stage where there are too many of us, and we don't have to worry about survival. Because of this we've evolved to a weird place where we can do things counter-intuitive to what our ancestors did, such as getting vasectomies, pulling out, doing drugs/drinking/eating utter crap, etc., or other activities that don't increase our number or that actually harm us. Could manners have come out of this stalemate in the evolutionary cycle? Could children who are being told to shut up and sit down really just be acting like humans would have acted thousands of years ago? While it is nice to not have to deal with screaming kids in a public place, I can understand why so many of our young men are messed up - They're being chastised for being themselves. In fact, the more overprotective a parent is, the more harm they're doing to their child. Going back to my cousin, I've often wondered if he would've been more &quot;well-adjusted&quot; had his mother been more relaxed around him. I can't help but feel that his acting out is him rebelling against the tight leash his mother has on him.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></div>

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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 14:43:07 GMT</pubDate>
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GIZMODO: Why Women Date Assholes (The Science of Anklism...?) 
 
 
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Sure, a woman might choose to mate with an attractive male because evolutionarily it means attractive kids. But that doesn't entirely explain things, as there's more to life than good-looking offspring. Now, research conducted at the University of Texas at San Antonio and published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology suggests that during ovulation hormones affect judgment of parenting potential. Kristina Durante, one of the researchers, explains to Live Science:]]></description>
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			It's well known that women find sexy, rebellious rogues attractive. Duh. But until now it's not really been clear why women choose to turn that attraction into long-term relationships, when they know they stand a high chance of getting burned. New research, however, reveals that the secret lies in the hormones.<br />
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Sure, a woman might choose to mate with an attractive male because evolutionarily it means attractive kids. But that doesn't entirely explain things, as there's more to life than good-looking offspring. Now, research conducted at the University of Texas at San Antonio and published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology suggests that during ovulation hormones affect judgment of parenting potential. Kristina Durante, one of the researchers, explains to Live Science:<br />
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<i>&quot;Under the hormonal influence of ovulation, women delude themselves into thinking that the sexy bad boys will become devoted partners and better dads. When looking at the sexy cad through ovulation goggles, Mr. Wrong looked exactly like Mr. Right.&quot;</i><br />
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Essentially, during ovulation women are more likely to believe that rogues would make better potential fathers—so they specifically pick sexier men over obviously more dependable men—even if they're jerks.<br />
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To establish that, female participants were asked to view online dating profiles of either sexy or reliable men during periods of both high and low fertility. When asked to predict likely paternal contribution from the prospective partners close to ovulation, the women thought the sexy men would contribute most. In other words, that long-term, they'd make better dads.<br />
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The researchers backed that up with a second study, where actors played the role of sexy cad or reliable dad, and the result turned out just the same. So, <b>if a woman starts dating an asshole, she will—at least once a month—be under the impression that he'll make a good long-term mate.</b> One interesting aside is the fact that the effects only seem to apply to the individual. Durante explains:<br />
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<i>&quot;When asked about what kind of father the sexy bad boy would make if he were to have children with another woman, women were quick to point out the bad boy's shortcomings. <b>But when it came to their own child, ovulating women believed that the charismatic and adventurous cad would be a great father to their kids.</b>&quot;</i><br />
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The take-home message from the research? Timing, my friend. Timing is everything. [Journal of Personality and Social Psychology via Live Science]
			
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<b>You know what? I'm no scientist in this matter but I'm about to call BULLSHIT on the &quot;fixer-upper&quot; theory; I think it boils down to the <br />
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a) need to maintain a morally superior position (which is difficult with a truly good fellow) and <br />
b) the conditioning from cradle to prom that being a victim always brings the syrupy &quot;aw poow baby&quot; sympathy that for some is probably very addictive. <br />
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Look at Maury, these absolute heathens who get exposed for lying on a dude, what's the first thing that happens, PYOOT!!! The big tearful dash backstage where Maury follows them and puts his arm around her and says, &quot;aw poow baby, it'a awwight,&quot; and of course the ecstatic dude who just dodged a bullet is sternly discouraged from clownin' a bitch out.<br />
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THAT'S why, imho, they date and pathetically get knocked up by assholes.</b><br />
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salvadorescobar<br />
Couldn't agree more. Women know what they're doing. If a woman can articulate what's wrong with a man, then she's possessed of the sapience that's necessary to still find it worthwhile to polish a piece of shit by fucking, dating, and marrying him anyway.<br />
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</div>That sums it up.<br />
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During ovulation they get horny and start thinking with their clits, as if sexual attractiveness is the only important factor in the mix, they value that so highly that they are willing to deal with the red flags and they actually think the red flags and risk factors can be mitigated. They then set out to manipulate/tame the object of their desire.<br />
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It's hormone fueled wishful thinking at best.<br />
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But this doesn't mean they are any less responsible for the decisions they make.<br />
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What makes the clit throb doesn't necessarally mean &quot;great husband/father material&quot;, and there is more than enough evidence for this to be common knowledge, just like it is common knowledge that just because a chick is hot doesn't mean she will have good character or be responsible, or fulfill her role as wife and mother, etc.<br />
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 The dumb dumbs who keep ignoring the facts wind up multi time single mothers who get fucked bucked and chucked after riding the cock caurosel.<br />
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How humble we’ve become. <b>After attempting to strip singing-sensation Usher Raymond of his parental rights</b>, now ex-wife Tameka Foster (both pictured) seemingly has only one request: <b>a permanent home for both her and her kids on Usher’s dime</b>, reports TMZ.<br />
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For the past few weeks, Usher and Tameka have been battling in court to determine who will have full custodial rights over their children, Usher Terry Raymond V and Naviyd Ely Raymond. As it stands, Usher currently has physical custodial rights, <b>but Tameka challenged his right to custody by making past claims that Usher is a neglectful and irresponsible parent who has consistently failed to ask <u>her permission</u> on key issues, regarding their children. <br />
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When that didn’t seem to work, Tameka tried in vain to force the court to make Usher take a drug test.</b><br />
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According to reports, <b>Usher has been granted the right to evict Tameka from the home she lives in Georgia. Coincidentally, Usher owns that home and can sell it at any time just as long as he notifies Tameka 60 days in advance. Since it appears that Usher does indeed plan to sell the home, <font color="Red">Tameka is said to now be asking Usher to buy her a permanent home so <u>she</u> isn’t left homeless.</font></b><br />
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TMZ reports:<br />
We’re told Tameka fears Usher is going to pull the trigger — leaving her buried in legal debt with no place to live — so she’s asking him for a permanent home for <b>her and Usher’s kids.</b><br />
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<i>Has she ever heard the saying, “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you”?</i><br />
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Not surprisingly, Usher has allegedly responded that he will NOT buy her another home and the ball is in his court.<br />
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Usher and Tameka married in September of 2007, but almost immediately, their union would spark a backlash from Usher fans who felt that Tameka was a gold digger who was also too old for the young star.<br />
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Not surprisingly, Usher filed for divorce from Tameka in 2009. In 2010, Usher told People magazine why the marriage didn’t work:<br />
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“We’re two different people,” he says, “and we have two different goals. It just was never going to work out 100 percent.”<br />
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Friends close to the couple felt that the marriage was doomed from the get-go:<br />
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    “They peaked before they even got married. Right after it was over, they started to drift apart. [Usher] just wasn’t ready to settle down, at least not with her.”<br />
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    “No one I’ve spoken to is surprised. As bad as this is gonna sound, it was never a matter of ‘I wonder if they’ll divorce,’ but more like ‘I wonder WHEN they’ll divorce.’”<br />
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Obviously, ever since the divorce, <b>the only thing that binds them are the children.</b> While the ex-couple are said to be tied in mediation talks, <b>it seems that Tameka may be without a home soon.</b><br />
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She's feeling the BURN now, though!<br />
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Yendo_Sur<br />
 And really, at the end of the day, this looks like it is going to have a happy ending for Usher. This case is just one of several that we have seen recently (the fat guy on American Idol I can't remember that man's name) and a few others have given me a little hope that things may be turning the corner in our favor.<br />
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RealDealBrotha<br />
<b>LOL @ that description... That was funny as hell!<br />
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You're referring to Ruben Studdard. ;)<br />
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These guys may have gotten off lucky THIS TIME (moreso Ruben than Usher, who has kids with the ankle he married), but the question remains as to whether they have learned the lesson thoroughly enough to NOT repeat the same mistake again.<br />
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    I doubt that Usher will ever learn, but in both cases, time will tell. FOr the rest of us, example like this should teach us not to make such bad choices the FIRST time.</b><br />
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ccommander<br />
Maybe, maybe not. <b>Just think of the case with Jon Cryer in which he has custody of the their child which was taken from the mother but he still has to pay child support because even though the kid is with her less than 10 percent of the time without receiving money from him she'd be homeless and the court felt that that would have a negative effect on the child. So he has to pay her 4,000 a month. The same could happen here.</b><br />
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If Usher's stupid ass had simply not dealt with the bitch in the first place none of these issues would be present but he loves dealing with older women who are also blatant, card carrying members of the ankle brigade like his ex wife and like Chili from TLC.<br />
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danziver<br />
Usher got lucky.<br />
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			<title>Dateline Charlotte: Deadbeat Moms on the Rise</title>
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Dateline Charlotte: Deadbeat Moms on the Rise 
 
Deadbeat Moms On the Rise 
 
Video and source: xhttp://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/local/Deadbeat-Moms-On-the-Rise--151319165.html 
 
By Morgan Fogarty 
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Dateline Charlotte: Deadbeat Moms on the Rise<br />
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Deadbeat Moms On the Rise<br />
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Video and source: xhttp://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/local/Deadbeat-Moms-On-the-Rise--151319165.html<br />
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By Morgan Fogarty<br />
May 13, 2012<br />
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CHARLOTTE, N.C. - Meet Mecklenburg County's top two deadbeat moms: <br />
40-year-old Bridgett Barbour owes more than $10,000 in child support and <br />
51-year-old Patricia Ramirez owes more than $20,000, <br />
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according to the Sheriff's Office.<br />
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<b>&quot;(I'm) seeing a lot more situations where mom is not the good guy anymore,&quot;</b> says local family law attorney Tonya Graser Smith. <b>She says deadbeat moms make up 25% of her child custody caseload. That's up from about 15% five years ago.</b><br />
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When deadbeat <b>parents</b> don't pay, state and federal resources are used to take care of their children. Smith says, &quot;It becomes every body's problem and everybody ends up having to pay for that parent that's not in place.&quot;<br />
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<b>&quot;The ones we're coming across are getting a lot better at hiding,&quot;</b> says local private investigator Keith Hollen. He says over the past few years, <b><u>more dads have hired him to find deadbeat moms</u></b>. At first, it was economy driven. <br />
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Women went back to work, <br />
earned more money, <br />
but didn't <b><u>want</u></b> to pay more child support. <br />
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Now, Hollen says many of his cases involve <b>deadbeat moms who are starting new businesses and losing interest in their kids.</b><br />
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&quot;We are finding it's a lot of females that are doing that. They're just trying to get that established and to do that, it'll take 24 hours, 7 days a week almost,&quot; he says.<br />
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It can take Hollen one day to find a deadbeat parent or months. Smith says the faster you seek legal support in a custody case, the better your chances are of finding your child's parent and making them pay. She says, &quot;If you act fast enough, you're gonna have a much higher success rate.&quot;<br />
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Smith says <font color="Brown"><b>moms and dads are on equal footing when it comes to custody cases in North Carolina. Women receive no legal preference.</b></font><br />
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<font color="Red">Yes that last line is in Brown for a reason-DS</font><br />
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 12:51:09 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I was wanted to get some feedback on which of these options you guys prefer. 
 
I have never been really comfortable with pump & dump because, in the back of my mind, I'd be thinking, "What if the police show up at my door in the morning?" This happened to a guy I knew in college. He was at a party at our place, slept with a girl there, and both seemed fine afterwards. The next morning the police are in our apartment and my friend is in handcuffs. The judge eventually threw out the case against him, but it really messed up his life. You hear about stories similar to this all the time. Also, I'm not good at lying to women and I hate leading people on. I've done it in the past a few times and I think it crosses a personal boundary for me. Maybe that's because I have three sisters and a daughter and wouldn't want to see them mistreated by guys this way. Ex-wife on the other hand... ;-) 
 
I've been using escorts for about the past 6 months, which is a lot of fun. Both parties know what they're there for and services are dicussed ahead of time. However, there is always the chance something will go wrong there as well. Plus, some of them keep calling afterwards to set up more sessions, which gets annoying (I use a prepaid phone). Things like "bait and switch" and "cash and dash" are pretty common. There is also the risk of STDs, but I think you're just as likely to pick these up from run-of-the-mill bar skanks. 
 
I'm beginning to think that celibacy is the best option. You don't have to worry about getting into a sticky or embarrassing situation and you aren't forking out money to women who, honestly, don't really deserve it. I'm 32 now, so I think my sex drive has died down a little since my mid-20s. For those of you who are celibate, is it manageable? How do you deal with urges to "engage?"]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I was wanted to get some feedback on which of these options you guys prefer.<br />
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I have never been really comfortable with pump &amp; dump because, in the back of my mind, I'd be thinking, &quot;What if the police show up at my door in the morning?&quot; This happened to a guy I knew in college. He was at a party at our place, slept with a girl there, and both seemed fine afterwards. The next morning the police are in our apartment and my friend is in handcuffs. The judge eventually threw out the case against him, but it really messed up his life. You hear about stories similar to this all the time. Also, I'm not good at lying to women and I hate leading people on. I've done it in the past a few times and I think it crosses a personal boundary for me. Maybe that's because I have three sisters and a daughter and wouldn't want to see them mistreated by guys this way. Ex-wife on the other hand... ;-)<br />
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I've been using escorts for about the past 6 months, which is a lot of fun. Both parties know what they're there for and services are dicussed ahead of time. However, there is always the chance something will go wrong there as well. Plus, some of them keep calling afterwards to set up more sessions, which gets annoying (I use a prepaid phone). Things like &quot;bait and switch&quot; and &quot;cash and dash&quot; are pretty common. There is also the risk of STDs, but I think you're just as likely to pick these up from run-of-the-mill bar skanks.<br />
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I'm beginning to think that celibacy is the best option. You don't have to worry about getting into a sticky or embarrassing situation and you aren't forking out money to women who, honestly, don't really deserve it. I'm 32 now, so I think my sex drive has died down a little since my mid-20s. For those of you who are celibate, is it manageable? How do you deal with urges to &quot;engage?&quot;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></div>

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If you're going through a bitter divorce/separation/breakup -- DO NOT FLIP HER OFF !!! 
 
xhttp://www.myfoxal.com/story/18427461/woman-charged-in-ex-husbands-murder-at-boat-landing 
 
It will be interesting to see if she claims "self-defense" or some other variation of the "golden pussy pass". 
It sounds like she emptied the gun into him.. for an "obscene gesture".  WTF?:-/]]></description>
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If you're going through a bitter divorce/separation/breakup -- DO NOT FLIP HER OFF !!!<br />
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It will be interesting to see if she claims &quot;self-defense&quot; or some other variation of the &quot;golden pussy pass&quot;.<br />
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			<title>Thought I would do some creative writing BS</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 03:43:04 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Notice we really don't have one for such things anyway or is that the purpose of blogs? Not that expressing ones self through litterrary works is an emasculate thing but sometimes spoken words just cant fully detail the true conviction behind a persons intentions. 
 
 
                                                                  *Don't have a title*  
                           "I find it best to imagine an older mans voice reading it aloud in narrative" 
 
A nice breeze picked up and ran against my cheek then tumbled away across the countryside of my lonely yet warm home and brushing against the fields. Hearing the gravel crunch beneath my feet I made my way towards the field of spinach I had planted a couple of months ago. "These buds will come in nicely I think." I said and chuckled to myself. My hands still hurt from feeding hay to the couple of fillies I had procured from my neighbor in a game of poker. I was a good sport about it though. Paid him several hundred dollars for the both of them even though he already won about eighty from me the previous hand, but then again I still felt guilty from his collie "Vex" breaking through my fence and running into my steer I refer to as "The muscle with legs" and meeting an unfortunate demise. 
 
Ah but where is my manners its not too difficult for a man of my age to drift into thought when writing in his diary. The fillies are doing fine. One of them is a bit of a hyperactive one though. I will just call him "Bucky" because I really do not see him being easy to train him to allow a rider on his back. The other I named "Milky" because of her white coat..and because in order for her to heel for me I have to spoil her with a sugar cube for her not to act like a stubborn mule. Its not so bad here though the grandkids seem to think its "boring and there is nothing to do." I got the horses for them so maybe they could visit more often and ride them when they grow older. I hope they take a shining to them though. Horses can be very picky who they choose to let them on. Would not want the two's cellular phone to go off and send the horses into a panicked gallop.]]></description>
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                                                                  *Don't have a title* <br />
                           &quot;I find it best to imagine an older mans voice reading it aloud in narrative&quot;<br />
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A nice breeze picked up and ran against my cheek then tumbled away across the countryside of my lonely yet warm home and brushing against the fields. Hearing the gravel crunch beneath my feet I made my way towards the field of spinach I had planted a couple of months ago. &quot;These buds will come in nicely I think.&quot; I said and chuckled to myself. My hands still hurt from feeding hay to the couple of fillies I had procured from my neighbor in a game of poker. I was a good sport about it though. Paid him several hundred dollars for the both of them even though he already won about eighty from me the previous hand, but then again I still felt guilty from his collie &quot;Vex&quot; breaking through my fence and running into my steer I refer to as &quot;The muscle with legs&quot; and meeting an unfortunate demise.<br />
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Ah but where is my manners its not too difficult for a man of my age to drift into thought when writing in his diary. The fillies are doing fine. One of them is a bit of a hyperactive one though. I will just call him &quot;Bucky&quot; because I really do not see him being easy to train him to allow a rider on his back. The other I named &quot;Milky&quot; because of her white coat..and because in order for her to heel for me I have to spoil her with a sugar cube for her not to act like a stubborn mule. Its not so bad here though the grandkids seem to think its &quot;boring and there is nothing to do.&quot; I got the horses for them so maybe they could visit more often and ride them when they grow older. I hope they take a shining to them though. Horses can be very picky who they choose to let them on. Would not want the two's cellular phone to go off and send the horses into a panicked gallop.<br />
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I try to keep contact with them as often as I can including my son and his wife, but sometimes there is just things that take priority over saying hi once in a while. I was excited to hear my grandson Mitch turned 6 and got his first bike with two wheels. I still think &quot;Mitch&quot; is the worst name I have ever heard but hes a damned good kid so I think I and others can look past that. While my sons daughter Clara is currently going to soccer. I try to visit when I can to catch her games but more often than not this ol' farm is running me behind on something. Seems like the older I get the more the farm struggles with me. Used to be able to flip a 500lb bale of hay. Now It takes some irritating popping of my knee and elbow just to climb the damn baler. But I wont let the kids worry about my troubles. Not til I cant lift a spoon do I want to be separated from this patch of gentle earth. Even got the place picked out. A shady spot under the big maple I had planted when I was tot. That blasted tree broke my arm one summer when I was about 13 and tried to show off to my crush I had by climbing to the top. The dumb stuff kids and &quot;ADULTS&quot; do for women..Mitch.. Still gets me to shake my head and sigh when I think of it too much. I mean Tommy, Jacob, Peter, Andrew, hell I heard a guy named Mikey but Mitch just seems like some guy who changes my oil at a jiffylube.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></div>

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			<title>News from Australia</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 02:20:02 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Political Pledge to Shut Down Australia’s Genocidal Family Law Courts (http://jamesjohnsonchr.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/political-pledge-to-shut-down-australias-genocidal-family-law-courts/) 
 
Genuine? Or just a would-be member of parliament pimping for votes? 
 
Either way - good news, I think. We want to see MRA issues as issues out there in the real world, not just on the internet. I would contribute to this guy's kickstarter, if he had one.]]></description>
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Genuine? Or just a would-be member of parliament pimping for votes?<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Link from MSN.com "Survey: The Perfect Man"]]></title>
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			<description>xhttp://living.msn.com/love-relationships/the-heart-beat-blog-post?post=912d1372-51d0-4082-b5ef-ca24e757d779 
 
Come on guys, lets get on this already. We have women to impress, ya know.</description>
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			<title>Psycho Female Attacks Man on Bicycle</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 23:31:27 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Moment woman driver 'attacks' cyclist as he holds up traffic along country lane | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2143745/Moment-woman-driver-attacks-cyclist-holds-traffic-country-lane.html) 
 
"A police spokesman said: 'On this day, a woman called Gloucestershire Police to report that she had been assaulted by a cyclist who had been holding up traffic. 
 
'Officers have made a number of enquiries to locate this woman but it appears that the contact details she gave were incorrect." 
 
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'Officers have made a number of enquiries to locate this woman but it appears that the contact details she gave were incorrect.&quot;</i><br />
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			<title>LMAO - Catch him and keep him</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 22:30:57 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Christian Carter's Catch Him and Keep Him: Dating Advice for Women (http://www.catchhimandkeephim.com/index.html?s=69778&dco-host=static.ak.facebook.com&gclid=CK28y6urg7ACFWQDQAodGnBjkw) 
 
Here it comes.....]]></description>
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			<title>Another giveaway to women from taxpayers, this in UK</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 21:25:30 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Executive summary: 
Women who *choose* to drop out of the workforce for lengthy periods to care for children (whom they *chose* to have) will receive pension benefits for the years they *chose* not to work or contribute to the public pension system.  Of course, UK men (and the few women who do indeed work the full timespan till retirement) get to subsidize this change.  But hey, at least the UK is pro-*choice*!  For one sex anyway...  Something tells me stay-at-home dads won't receive equal treatment, but rather shaming, for trying to assert the same privilege later. 
 
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Women who <b>choose</b> to drop out of the workforce for lengthy periods to care for children (whom they <b>chose</b> to have) will receive pension benefits for the years they <b>chose</b> not to work or contribute to the public pension system.  Of course, UK men (and the few women who do indeed work the full timespan till retirement) get to subsidize this change.  But hey, at least the UK is pro-<b>choice</b>!  For one sex anyway...  Something tells me stay-at-home dads won't receive equal treatment, but rather shaming, for trying to assert the same privilege later.<br />
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			<title>Ovulating Women Crave Alpha Cock</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 20:13:04 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[2 more studies (by way of commenters at Heartiste's) providing this much needed truth, and possibly "explaining" it. 
 
xhttp://www.livescience.com/20294-women-choose-bad-boys.html 
 
 
---Quote--- 
When ovulating a woman's hormones influence who she sees as good potential fathers, and they specifically pick sexier men over obviously more dependable men. 
... 
The researchers had women view online dating profiles of either a sexy man or a reliable man during periods of both high and low fertility. Participants were asked to indicate the expected paternal contribution from the men if they had a child together based on how helpful the man would be caring for the baby, shopping for food, cooking and contributing to household chores. *Near ovulation women thought that the sexy man would contribute more to these domestic duties.* [I suspect that the rationalisation hamster is involved here, rather than an honest assessment.  But that rodent clearly is hormone-enhanced]]]></description>
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The researchers had women view online dating profiles of either a sexy man or a reliable man during periods of both high and low fertility. Participants were asked to indicate the expected paternal contribution from the men if they had a child together based on how helpful the man would be caring for the baby, shopping for food, cooking and contributing to household chores. <b>Near ovulation women thought that the sexy man would contribute more to these domestic duties.</b> <font color="#FF0000">[I suspect that the rationalisation hamster is involved here, rather than an honest assessment.  But that rodent clearly is hormone-enhanced]</font><br />
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&quot;Under the hormonal influence of ovulation, women delude themselves into thinking that the sexy bad boys will become devoted partners and better dads,&quot; Durante said. <b>&quot;When looking at the sexy cad through ovulation goggles, Mr. Wrong looked exactly like Mr. Right.&quot;</b><br />
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The researchers followed up that find with a second study in which women interacted directly with male actors who played the roles of sexy cad and reliable dad once during ovulation and again at low fertility. Again, ovulating women thought that the sexy cad &#8212; but not the reliable dad &#8212; would contribute more to childcare, but only as her partner (not if he shacked up with another woman).<br />
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&quot;<u>When asked about what kind of father the sexy bad boy would make if he were to have children with another woman, women were quick to point out the bad boy's shortcomings,&quot; said Durante. &quot;<b>But when it came to their own child, ovulating women believed</b> that the charismatic and adventurous cad would be a great father to their kids.</u>&quot;<br />
			
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			<description><![CDATA[By way of comments at Heartiste's, I ran across this - I'm wondering it it's 100% BS or only 90% BS. :p 
 
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			<description><![CDATA[*I hate the entire concept behind "Potential Earnings" being used as the method for calculating Child Support and Alimony.  In a nutshell it results in ONLY the HIGHER of the two numbers (actual earnings OR "potential earnings") being used to calculate what the payor has to pay.  * 
 
If you get laid off ... TOO BAD!, you still have "Potential Earnings" so your support is not based on your REAL income, which just disappeared, but some theoretical income.  Ditto if you get injured on the job and can't work for some period of time.  (or you get fired, company you work for goes broke, etc. etc.) 
 
*If you work your tail off and make MORE money than the theoretical "Potential Earnings", say by working two jobs or taking LOTS of overtime do you get a break?   
 
NO WAY ... now everything is based on your "actual earnings" ... oh and it get's worse ...  for future "potential earnings calculations" you are NOW ALWAYS EXPECTED TO BE WORKING TWO JOBS OR TO HAVE LOTS OF OVERTIME since that extra income now becomes part of your "potential earnings".  * 
 
(remember ... keep your income DOWN, and turn down overtime etc., if you are going to be getting divorced.  The lower you income, if you can control it for the couple of years before the divorce occures, the better, is the rule of thumb going into a divorce situation)]]></description>
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If you get laid off ... TOO BAD!, you still have &quot;Potential Earnings&quot; so your support is not based on your REAL income, which just disappeared, but some theoretical income.  Ditto if you get injured on the job and can't work for some period of time.  (or you get fired, company you work for goes broke, etc. etc.)<br />
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<b>If you work your tail off and make MORE money than the theoretical &quot;Potential Earnings&quot;, say by working two jobs or taking LOTS of overtime do you get a break?  <br />
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NO WAY ... now everything is based on your &quot;actual earnings&quot; ... oh and it get's worse ...  for future &quot;potential earnings calculations&quot; you are NOW ALWAYS EXPECTED TO BE WORKING TWO JOBS OR TO HAVE LOTS OF OVERTIME since that extra income now becomes part of your &quot;potential earnings&quot;.  </b><br />
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(remember ... keep your income DOWN, and turn down overtime etc., if you are going to be getting divorced.  The lower you income, if you can control it for the couple of years before the divorce occures, the better, is the rule of thumb going into a divorce situation)<br />
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<i>well our custody hearing was yesterday and my x got awarded 658/month child support! <b>they didnt figure the support amount by my actual earnigs but what my &quot;potiential earnings&quot;could be</b>.what a crock.im busting my butt,swinging 2 jobs,working weekends just to make a living and im putting job applications in all over the place.i did get my son 10 days a month and im greatful for that but i only bring home 12-1400 a month and my bills are about 1000/month<b>.im ruined</b>.i did file an objection to the decision and we are going to trial</i>.<br />
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So Eager for Grandchildren, They’re Paying the Egg-Freezing Clinic<br />
By ELISSA GOOTMAN<br />
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At the Colorado Center for Reproductive Medicine, a popular destination for women hoping to preserve their fertility by freezing their eggs, Dr. William Schoolcraft, the founder and medical director, has started to notice something different: more of the women are arriving with company.<br />
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“I see these patients come in, and they’re with two elderly people, and I’m like, ‘What the hey?’ ” Dr. Schoolcraft said.<br />
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The gray-haired entourages, it turns out, are the parents, tagging along to lend support — emotional and often financial — <b>as their daughters turn to the fledgling field of egg freezing to improve their chances of having children later on, when they are ready to start a family.</b><br />
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The technology to freeze a woman’s delicate eggs to be used later, when the eggs being released by her ovaries may no longer be viable, has improved sharply over the past decade. There currently is no single source of data on the number of women who are choosing to freeze their eggs, but doctors in the United States say the practice is slowly growing.<br />
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The procedure remains expensive, generally costing between $8,000 and $18,000. And because it offers no guarantees and is still considered experimental by the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, a professional association, it can seem to some like an extravagant gamble.<br />
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<b>But it is a gamble that many would-be grandparents are willing to take with their daughters,</b> even if it means navigating a potentially uncomfortable conversation.<br />
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“By the time Allison was 35, I felt the clock was tick-tick-ticking,” said Candace Kramer, 61, whose daughter took her up on the suggestion to freeze her eggs — and her offer to pay half the bill. “I viewed it as opening up an opportunity for her.”<br />
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Such arrangements are not unusual, said Dr. Daniel Shapiro, the medical director of Reproductive Biology Associates of Atlanta. He estimated that at least three quarters of his center’s egg-freezing patients — more than 100 over the past two years — have parents who paid part or all of the bill.<br />
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“I was surprised at first about the parental involvement, but now I expect it to be the case,” said Dr. Shapiro, adding that many patients tell him, “My parents want me to have this as a gift.”<br />
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His center, along with an offshoot called My Egg Bank North America, are trying to make it easier, and less uncomfortable, for family members to pay for the procedure, marketing the “Gift of Hope”: a gift certificate and a silver charm bracelet for the recipients.<br />
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Rachel Lehmann-Haupt, author of “In Her Own Sweet Time: Unexpected Adventures in Finding Love, Commitment and Motherhood,” described conversations about fertility between women and their parents as “the postmodern, adult birds-and-the-bees talk.”<br />
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She added, “There is a very fine line between concern and pressure.”<br />
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Gloria Hayes, who lives in Darien, Conn., bit her tongue for months after hearing about egg freezing, hoping that her daughter Jennifer, a restaurateur in Telluride, Colo., would broach the topic herself.<br />
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“I just didn’t feel right approaching her about it, because it’s almost a criticism in a way — ‘You’re getting old,’ ” Mrs. Hayes said. When Jennifer finally floated the idea, “I was thrilled,” Mrs. Hayes said. “I thought this could just take a lot of the stress off her.”<br />
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Mrs. Hayes and her husband offered to pay for the procedure, but Jennifer Hayes was initially reluctant to accept the money.<br />
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“My mom said to me, ‘Do you think we’d rather have this money sitting in an account or have a potential grandchild someday?’ ” she recalled. “When she positioned it that way, it somehow just changed the way I felt.”<br />
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“It’s a family decision,” said Ms. Hayes, 36, who now blogs about her experience at RetrieveFreezeRelax.com. “Because you’re talking about your future family. Grandchildren are really important to parents. Everybody wants to experience being a grandparent.”<br />
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Susan Lorman raised the idea of egg freezing when her daughter Stephanie, a sales representative in Los Angeles, was over for dinner shortly before her 35th birthday. Stephanie had just broken up with the latest in a string of boyfriends and was in tears, distraught over what-if situations that involved losing her shot at motherhood.<br />
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“I thought no, no, no, I’m going to give it one more year,” Stephanie said. But on the eve of her 36th birthday, Stephanie took her mother up on her suggestion and called a fertility doctor, David Tourgeman, whom she had met at the gym.<br />
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“It was a gift of love,” Mrs. Lorman said. “I’d had my kids at 22, and here she is, a healthy, beautiful young woman who felt her years were passing her by.”<br />
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When Brigitte Adams, a San Francisco marketing consultant, brought up the idea of freezing her eggs to her parents, her father quickly approved. So quickly that, for a moment, Ms. Adams felt stung.<br />
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“It was a little degree of shock,” she said. “This is actually real if they’re pushing me towards this,” she recalled thinking at the time.<br />
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Ms. Adams, who is 39, said she felt “this incredible calmness” after freezing her eggs. “No longer was I under such pressure that the next guy I dated would be daddy material,” she said.<br />
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Her parents not only paid half the cost of the procedure but also invested in Ms. Adams’s new venture: Eggsurance.com, a Web site about egg freezing.<br />
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As the technology has evolved, more fertility clinics across the country have begun offering egg freezing to two groups: women preparing to undergo cancer treatment, which can affect fertility, and those seeking to expand their window for childbearing.<br />
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The Society for Assisted Reproductive Technology, a professional group, has begun collecting data on how many women freeze their eggs, but it is not yet available.<br />
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The number of babies born from frozen eggs is not tracked. Some experts put the figure at more than 2,000 worldwide, many from donor eggs.<br />
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The American Society for Reproductive Medicine’s experimental label is under review; some fertility professionals say that removing the label could prompt a surge of interest.<br />
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Still, there are doctors who caution that egg freezing can provide a false sense of security: What if a patient pays to freeze her eggs at 34, only to discover that she is unable to get pregnant with them in her 40s?<br />
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Such risks, though, can seem less weighty to patients when their parents share the cost.<br />
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Amy West, 37, a psychologist in Chicago, said that she could have afforded the $7,600 bill to freeze her eggs, but that with her parents paying $5,000, “it somehow didn’t feel like as scary an investment.”<br />
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In November, Ms. West’s mother, father and brother flew in from Washington for the egg retrieval, which followed days of hormone injections.<br />
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Even Ms. West’s mother, an international environmental and human rights lawyer, whom Ms. West described as “very career oriented” and “not the type to nag,” could not resist a joke after hearing how many of her daughter’s eggs had been successfully frozen.<br />
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“I have 26 grandbabies!” she exclaimed.
			
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			<description><![CDATA[The Startling Plight of China's Leftover Ladies - By Christina Larson | Foreign Policy (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/23/the_startling_plight_of_china_s_leftover_ladies?page=full) 
 
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			The majority of her talk was devoted not to such timeless aphorisms, but to describing a new conundrum in China: the plight of its sheng nu, or &quot;leftover ladies.&quot; In popular parlance, sheng nu refers to women above a certain age -- some say 27, others 30 -- who are unmarried and presumably &quot;left over,&quot; too old to be desirable. Increasingly, sheng nu are a topic of alternating humor and alarm for Chinese newspaper columnists, TV sitcoms, reality dating shows, and studies by government bodies like the All-China Women's Federation; according to its 2010 survey, more than 90 percent of male respondents agreed that women should marry before age 27 or risk being forever undesired.
			
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			&quot;Why do sheng nu happen now in China?&quot; Wu asked. After a dramatic pause, she answered her own question: &quot;It is a result of high GDP growth.&quot; At this point, several women in the audience fidgeted, wary of an economics sermon, but Wu continued. &quot;In the past, there was no such word as sheng nu. But today women have more wealth and education -- they have better jobs, and higher requirements for men.&quot; She reflected: &quot;Now you want to find a man you have deep feelings for who also has a house and a car. You won't all find that.&quot;
			
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			IN 2006, CHINA'S Cosmopolitan ran the headline, &quot;Welcome to the Age of the Leftover Ladies.&quot; One might expect the magazine to exaggerate women's angst to peddle copies, but the notion that marriage is fundamentally changing in China is borne out by the numbers: Women in urban China are marrying later, and the most educated marry latest -- or, increasingly, not at all.
			
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			Before our meeting, I had asked her to read the recent Atlantic cover story about unmarried American women, &quot;All the Single Ladies,&quot; to see whether it resonated. Yes, she told me, pointing especially to this passage: &quot;When Gloria Steinem said, in the 1970s, 'We're becoming the men we wanted to marry,' I doubt even she realized the prescience of her words.&quot;
			
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Edward Klein's new book on Barack Obama, The Amateur: Barack Obama in the White House, is a withering portrayal of a radical adrift, in over his head, drowning in his own incompetency -- while being weighed down by a small circle of "advisers" who are compounding the problem of the Amateur in the White House. 
 
Klein's book begins with a talisman-like quote uttered by Barack Obama when his recently appointed Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner tried to boost Obama's ego by telling him, "Your legacy is going to be preventing the second Great Depression."  To which Barack Obama responded, "That's not enough for me." 
 
As all of America knows by now, Obama has aggressively sought to "fundamentally transform" America -- one of the few promises he has kept from the days of 2008.  Five trillion dollars of borrowing, ObamaCare passed over the objections of the majority of Americans through legislative legerdemain and special deals made with resistant politicians, failed stimulus, green programs failing left and right as taxpayers are left holding the bag, a recovery that is the most anemic on record, an America that has been sundered by the man who promises to unite us, America weaker abroad and at home -- yes, America has been fundamentally transformed.  Mission Accomplished. 
 
But how and why did Obama succeed in such a catastrophic way?  That is the question that Klein successfully answers in his extremely readable and enjoyable book, with enough spicy details to satisfy the craving of anyone interested in how President Obama and those closest to him have driven us to the condition we find ourselves in as we approach November.]]></description>
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			Edward Klein's new book on Barack Obama, The Amateur: Barack Obama in the White House, is a withering portrayal of a radical adrift, in over his head, drowning in his own incompetency -- while being weighed down by a small circle of &quot;advisers&quot; who are compounding the problem of the Amateur in the White House.<br />
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Klein's book begins with a talisman-like quote uttered by Barack Obama when his recently appointed Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner tried to boost Obama's ego by telling him, &quot;Your legacy is going to be preventing the second Great Depression.&quot;  To which Barack Obama responded, &quot;That's not enough for me.&quot;<br />
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As all of America knows by now, Obama has aggressively sought to &quot;fundamentally transform&quot; America -- one of the few promises he has kept from the days of 2008.  Five trillion dollars of borrowing, ObamaCare passed over the objections of the majority of Americans through legislative legerdemain and special deals made with resistant politicians, failed stimulus, green programs failing left and right as taxpayers are left holding the bag, a recovery that is the most anemic on record, an America that has been sundered by the man who promises to unite us, America weaker abroad and at home -- yes, America has been fundamentally transformed.  Mission Accomplished.<br />
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But how and why did Obama succeed in such a catastrophic way?  That is the question that Klein successfully answers in his extremely readable and enjoyable book, with enough spicy details to satisfy the craving of anyone interested in how President Obama and those closest to him have driven us to the condition we find ourselves in as we approach November.<br />
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One of the motifs that runs throughout the book is Barack Obama's sheer level of incompetency.  He has the fatal conceit of many politicians: an overweening ego.  That may be a prerequisite for politicians and leaders, but when it is unleavened by a willingness to consider the views of others, it becomes a fatal conceit.  And Obama has that trait in abundance.<br />
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Stories tumble out that reveal a man who believes he is all but omniscient -- unwilling to give any credence to the views of others (especially but not limited to those across the aisle).  Experts in management are interviewed who point out that he lacks essential qualities of leadership.  Indeed, the book gets its title from an outburst from Bill Clinton, who was trying to encourage Hillary to take on Obama in the Democratic primary of 2012:<br />
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Obama doesn't know how to be president. He doesn't know how the world works. He's incompetent. He's...he's...Barack Obama's an amateur.<br />
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But Klein does not rest there.  He delves into associates from Obama's career in Cook County politics, his stint as a state senator, and his rise to the United States Senate.  There is a common pattern: Obama likes to campaign, but once he is elected and actually starts working, his interest flags, and he starts looking for the next &quot;big thing&quot; -- electorally speaking.  He had few if any accomplishments or professional standing in any of his previous positions.  Even when he served as a lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School, he avoided any encounters with other faculty who enjoyed discussing the law.  His reluctance to engage them is revealing in and of itself, suggesting he had a reason for his lack of confidence.<br />
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His disdain toward working with others is manifest.  He has gained a reputation over the last few years as being cold and distant, refusing to engage, as have other presidents, in the give-and-take of politics, in the social niceties that help grease the wheels in Washington.  Liberal Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen recently advised him to read Robert Caro's newest volume on the life of Lyndon Johnson as a primer on how to be president.  Johnson, of course, was a master at pulling levers of power, but he also knew how to persuade individual politicians on both sides of the aisle to work with him on legislation.  But, of course, LBJ also had the common touch and, having risen from humble beginnings, never considered it beneath him to work with those underneath him.  Not so Barack Obama.  He complained to foreign leaders that he had to waste time talking with &quot;congressmen from Palookaville.&quot;  At another time, he switched locales and said he was tired of dealing with people from &quot;Podunk.&quot;<br />
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His campaign trail comments regarding small-town America as being populated by &quot;bitter&quot; people who cling to guns and Bibles was not a one-off.  They are reflective of his views.<br />
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But the high and the mighty also come in for the Obama treatment.  Klein reveals dismay among former Obama supporters who feel they have been mistreated, maligned, and thrown under the bus.  Obama's most generous early donors have been all but ignored; early mentors in the black business community have been sidelined if not completely ditched; people don't hear from him or his staff unless a fundraiser is coming up.  But there is more: Caroline Kennedy is angry at the way she and her family were used for campaign purposes in 2008 and then summarily dismissed and stored away like so many movie props have been (the latter is my description).<br />
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Even Oprah Winfrey has been stiff-armed by the Obamas.  According to the book, Oprah took a big risk in supporting Obama in 2008 and campaigning for Obama in Iowa, being a big boost in his campaign.  The ratings for her show weakened significantly (and her new network has been a huge disappointment).  But when she has tried to visit the White House, she has been all but treated as persona non grata.  Apparently, Michelle Obama is a possessive person who fears the influence Oprah may have over Barack Obama (more on this below).  Oprah blames it on Michelle's anti-obesity campaign.  She is quoted as saying, &quot;Michelle hates fat people and doesn't want me waddling around the White House.&quot;  Klein digs up a quotation of Michelle Obama's from a White House source that seems to confirm Oprah's suspicion:<br />
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Oprah only wants to cash in using the White House as a backdrop for her show to perk up ratings. Oprah with her yo-yo dieting and huge girth, is a terrible role model. Kids will look at Oprah, who's rich and famous and huge, and figure it's okay to be fat.<br />
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Oprah, Caroline Kennedy, Pastor Jeremiah Wright (who merits a chapter), and Obama's former long-time doctor (who feels Obama is distant and lacks feeling, passion, and humanity) all join a long list of people whom the Obamas have used, abused, and then cast aside once they moved into the White House.<br />
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A few have survived the winnowing process, of course.  There is Michelle, who might be described as the living and real-life descendant of Lady Macbeth.  The book provides some history of the early days between Barack and Michelle: marked by some tempests, yet also marked by Michelle's overwhelming push for Barack to win power and wealth.  Insiders are reluctant to tangle with the First Lady, and with good reason.  Michelle, like her husband, has a proclivity to blame others for her husband's failures.  Former Press Secretary Robert Gibbs felt her sting when it was revealed that Michelle had complained about life in the White House to the then-first lady of France, Carla Bruni-Sarkozy.  Gibbs acted to control the damage by arranging for the Élysée Palace to issue a denial.<br />
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But the response did not come quickly enough for Michelle, and she arranged for Valerie Jarrett -- close to the Obamas for years, and who has an omnipresence in the White House that makes the unelected and unconfirmed czar issue seem trivial -- to deliver a stern rebuke to Gibbs, who counter-attacked.  Anyone heard from Robert Gibbs lately?<br />
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The role of Valerie Jarrett has prompted much speculation.  As Edward Klein notes, she has a mouthful of a title --  senior adviser and assistant to the president for intergovernmental affairs and public engagement -- that &quot;doesn't begin to do justice to her unrivaled status in the White House.&quot;  Valerie Jarrett apparently has a role in most major decisions: she often appears in meetings the president has with major political leaders from Capitol Hill and with foreign leaders as well.  She often stays behind to have private discussions with the president.  Obama admitted that he ran every decision by her.<br />
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That is worrying since, as Klein notes, Jarrett's own career is not one that would prepare her to assume such a prominent role.  Hers is no rags-to-riches story that would give her the &quot;chops&quot; to have such a Svengali-like influence over the president of the United States.  She was blessed with a wonderful set of advantages -- descended from a highly regarded political family in Chicago.  Jarrett was a force to be reckoned with in the Daley administration and then capitalized on her political connections to land a job heading up a real estate company in Chicago where she oversaw, among other developments, properties that under her company's management degenerated into slums.  Business leaders are aghast that she has such a powerful role in the White House.  A donor is quoted as saying that not only is Valerie Jarrett a liability, but others in the White House concur with his views.  Jarrett has butted heads with Rahm Emanuel, who felt that it was wrong to focus on passing ObamaCare when the economy and jobs should have been higher priorities.<br />
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Who won that match?  Rahm returned to Chicago and became mayor in 2009.<br />
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The roles of Michelle Obama and Valerie Jarrett cannot be overstated.  They are symptomatic of a larger problem in the White House decision-making process (one that I noted in &quot;How Obama Makes Decisions&quot;).<br />
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Barack Obama, to a greater extent than any modern president, refuses to listen to the views of others or consult with experts and advisers outside his own tight and constricted circle from Cook County.  There are many revelations of his faulty decision making uncovered by Klein.  Indeed, one of Jarrett's roles is to shield Obama from dealing with people who don't agree with him or who may say something that deflates his ego.<br />
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When Bill Daley (the chief of staff) realized that the contraception and abortifacient mandates of ObamaCare might offend Catholics, he arranged a meeting without Jarrett's knowledge between Obama and New York then-Archbishop Timothy Dolan to deal with an issue that would offend many as violating the principle of religious freedom (as well as Catholic beliefs).  Jarrett went to the president and vented her anger.<br />
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Anyone seen Bill Daley lately?<br />
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On issue after issue, President Obama remains his insular self, refusing to seek counsel or input from others with more experience.<br />
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Critics believe he has made a mess of foreign policy precisely because not only does he have a dearth of experience in this area, but because, under our system, foreign policy is one of the few areas where a president enjoys almost unlimited power.  Thus, he is free to formulate his own agenda regardless of the views of others and the damage these policies cause.<br />
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When pro-Israel Americans met with Obama to discuss his actions toward Israel (that many, including myself, view as being counterproductive) he dismissed the ideas of Abe Foxman, head of the Anti-Defamation League, with the statement &quot;you are absolutely wrong.&quot;  The president, who has no compunction telling people that they are not only wrong, but &quot;absolutely wrong&quot; in public, needs to start feeling some of the empathy he accuses Republicans of lacking.  According to veteran journalist Richard Chesnoff, quoted in the book, &quot;Obama's problem in dealing with the Arab-Israeli conundrum&quot; comes &quot;from his one-man style and his inflated view of his own leadership talents[.] ... [P]erhaps, even more egregiously, he seems to have an exaggerated sense of his own depth of understanding of the Middle East, which is simply not borne out by his background or experience.&quot;  There may be more to it than that to explain the pressure he has put on our one true ally in the Middle East, Israel.  American Thinker published numerous articles in 2008 covering not only Pastor Jeremiah Wright, Junior's views of Israel as an apartheid state, but Obama's associations with anti-Israel Palestinians in Chicago, his own suspect language regarding Israel, and his close relationship with Samantha Power (now playing a key role on his National Security Council), who not only has a long anti-Israel history but also made an anti-Semitic remark that was smothered by the media in 2008.  There were good reasons for the Los Angeles Times to run a column during the campaign that &quot;Allies of Palestinians see a friend in Obama.&quot;<br />
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Readers will thoroughly enjoy Klein's book on Obama.  There are substantive issues raised about Obama's leadership abilities that are enhanced with interesting digressions regarding life inside ObamaWorld and how those dynamics effect decisions made from the Oval Office.<br />
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Klein concludes the book with doubt that Obama could ever change his approach toward governing and suspicion that his agenda is to impose a vast redistribution scheme upon America that has worked so well in the decaying and disintegrating European Union.  He wonders if Republicans are up to the task of pointing out to the public the truth about Obama's agenda, given the overwhelming media bias in favor of Barack Obama.<br />
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Klein's book could serve as a roadmap for Republicans.<br />
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Ed Lasky is news editor of American Thinker.
			
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			<description><![CDATA[So I watch a bunch of the various critcs from That Guy with the Glasses. Right now I'm watching the Blockbuster Buster's newest video. With internet videos, adds before, during, and after are a common thing. But I was shocked to see that one of the ads that popped up was for Prostate Cancer awareness. Shocked in a good way of course. 
 
As we all know, when it comes to cancer awareness, breast cancer has always reigned supreme. It's taken attention and money away from the number 1 cancer which affects both men and women, lung, and of course the commonly neglected male only cancer which is prostate. 
 
I know it's not much. I know it's just 1 internet popup ad during a video. But I've never seen one for Prostate Cancer Awareness before. It made me feel... happy I suppose. Even if it is just a small thing, a male issue is being addressed and I'd think it may be a sign that the tides truly are turning. 
 
The changes are coming and this only serves to further bolster my resolve in the various Men's rights arenas.]]></description>
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As we all know, when it comes to cancer awareness, breast cancer has always reigned supreme. It's taken attention and money away from the number 1 cancer which affects both men and women, lung, and of course the commonly neglected male only cancer which is prostate.<br />
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I know it's not much. I know it's just 1 internet popup ad during a video. But I've never seen one for Prostate Cancer Awareness before. It made me feel... happy I suppose. Even if it is just a small thing, a male issue is being addressed and I'd think it may be a sign that the tides truly are turning.<br />
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			<description>What the hell were we thinking? | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/07/21/what-the-hell-were-we-thinking/) 
 
The sites name for it sums it up pretty much though.</description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Found this on Twitter this morning. Those are REALLY high numbers. But there's a way you can help! 
 
About 1 in 3 girls become pregnant at least once before they're 20. Spread awareness about teen pregnancy via your cell phone! - Sex - May 14, 2012 - OMG Facts (http://www.omg-facts.com/Sex/About-1-in-3-girls-become-pregnant-at-le/51148) 
 
I'm sending this app to all my friends with long-term girlfriends who are thinking about marriage in the future.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[I'm in my mid 30's, good career, healthy lifestyle, etc. I grew up listening to punk rock music, mostly the shit that was coming out of southern California in the 80's and 90's, because that's when I was growing up. I love hearing it, playing it, and have done so for most of my life. Having said that, I can't FUCKING STAND what I call "scenester chicks". 
 
 For those of you who are into the same shit as I'm talking about, you've gotta know what I mean: Ex-cheerleader turned Kat Vondoo (or however you spell that cunt's name) wannabes. Tattoo snob, drama starting twats who ruin shows by starting fights, who think their shit doesn't stink, and who show up on the scene out of nowhere with their goddamn "visa sleeve" tattoos that mean absolutely nothing that they got in 3 sessions from shoulder to wrist. I can't stand these cunts. Just wanted to vent a little.]]></description>
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 For those of you who are into the same shit as I'm talking about, you've gotta know what I mean: Ex-cheerleader turned Kat Vondoo (or however you spell that cunt's name) wannabes. Tattoo snob, drama starting twats who ruin shows by starting fights, who think their shit doesn't stink, and who show up on the scene out of nowhere with their goddamn &quot;visa sleeve&quot; tattoos that mean absolutely nothing that they got in 3 sessions from shoulder to wrist. I can't stand these cunts. Just wanted to vent a little.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></div>

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Serena Williams says.."Women are tougher thats why we have the babies."... 
 
[color=Red]As many times as I've seen her big ass slide around and blame her fuck ups on officials and their calls and other things...I'm surprised she even popped off at the mouth like this....and for the record those "tough" females who have babies dont raise or nurture their children because they feel the pain of a c-section....I mean child birth renders them exempt from any other responsibilities[/quote] 
 
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[color=Red]As many times as I've seen her big ass slide around and blame her fuck ups on officials and their calls and other things...I'm surprised she even popped off at the mouth like this....and for the record those &quot;tough&quot; females who have babies dont raise or nurture their children because they feel the pain of a c-section....I mean child birth renders them exempt from any other responsibilities[/quote]<br />
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Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal and other men’s tennis players who have complained about the blue clay at the Madrid Open are “weenies,” according to former women’s No. 1 Serena Williams.<br />
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 Asked about criticism from Djokovic and Nadal over the slippery surface on the Manolo Santana show court, Williams said at a news conference that <b>women were simply tougher than their male counterparts.</b><br />
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<b>“Women are way tougher than men. That’s why we have the babies, you guys could never handle kids,”</b> Williams said after thumping top seed Victoria Azarenka, 6-1, 6-3, to win the Madrid title yesterday. <b>“We ladies don’t complain we just do our best. On the WTA (tour) we are real performers, we are not about going out there and being weenies.”</b><br />
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Dictionary.com lists several definitions of “weenie” including “an insignificant, disliked person” or <b>“a stupid and inept male.”</b><br />
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Djokovic and Nadal have threatened to boycott the Madrid event next year unless the traditional red dirt is reinstated.<br />
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Later, Roger Federer rallied to beat Tomas Berdych 3-6, 7-5, 7-5 and win the Madrid Open for a third time.<br />
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“It is amazing to win here again,’’ said Federer, who will overtake Nadal as the second-ranked player behind Djokovic. “It has been a tough tournament. Tough to move, but you’ve got to try to make the most of it. Here there was some good tennis and some bad tennis, but you see that in all tournaments.’’<br />
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Meanwhile, the red clay courts of the Italian Open in Rome have been heaven for Djokovic after a week on the experimental blue surface in Madrid.<br />
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The top-ranked Djokovic was highly critical of the blue clay tested at the Madrid Open, especially after he lost to fellow Serb Janko Tipsarevic in the quarterfinals.<br />
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 “It feels great,’’ Djokovic said. “After that blue clay, this clay seems like paradise.<br />
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“The most basic thing you have in our sport — the most important — is the movement,’’ Djokovic said. “If you cannot be in balance for the ball, and to hit the ball, then everything becomes twice as difficult. That’s the biggest difference. Here you can actually be on the ball and slide well, where there you were slipping and falling down.’’
			
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			<description><![CDATA[My to be ex wife moved out 3 weeks ago.  I'm now missing all of my personal photographs from my entire life and a gold watch that was a family heirloom.  I know if I ask her she will simply deny it.  I feel sick to my stomach about this one.  I have not called my attorney yet but was wanting to get some feedback on options.   
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			<title>A brave new economy – California budget implications for real estate – 4 key metrics</title>
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Over the weekend it was announced that California’s large $9 billion budget deficit was no longer $9 billion but $16 billion.  Whoops.  Last week J.P. Morgan Chase, a darling of the Federal Reserve, reported a $2 billion trading loss on “synthetic derivatives” yet still had the audacity to state no further regulation was needed.  Whoops.  What we have here is a system of phony numbers and massive speculation.  This plays into the giant pool of shadow inventory sitting in bank balance sheets while trillions of dollars went to bailout these banks.  Even accounting standards were frozen for these speculators.  Instead of working to increase transparency and help the overall American taxpayer they instead are using the same leverage to gamble on global stock markets.  The system is interconnected and that is why the California budget figures this weekend came as no surprise.  What is surprising is the cheerleaders narrowly focused on real estate and pretending the economy around them is completely sound.  Do they have ear plugs and blinders on as to what is really transpiring? 
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			Over the weekend it was announced that California’s large $9 billion budget deficit was no longer $9 billion but $16 billion.  Whoops.  Last week J.P. Morgan Chase, a darling of the Federal Reserve, reported a $2 billion trading loss on “synthetic derivatives” yet still had the audacity to state no further regulation was needed.  Whoops.  What we have here is a system of phony numbers and massive speculation.  This plays into the giant pool of shadow inventory sitting in bank balance sheets while trillions of dollars went to bailout these banks.  Even accounting standards were frozen for these speculators.  Instead of working to increase transparency and help the overall American taxpayer they instead are using the same leverage to gamble on global stock markets.  The system is interconnected and that is why the California budget figures this weekend came as no surprise.  What is surprising is the cheerleaders narrowly focused on real estate and pretending the economy around them is completely sound.  Do they have ear plugs and blinders on as to what is really transpiring?
			
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