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Thread: what became of dad after he was cut out of my life?

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    what became of dad after he was cut out of my life?

    for those who don't follow my posts: my dad was in a near fatal motorcycle accident when I was a baby.

    only recently did mom admit (or maybe I should say, she made the claim) that she didn't leave him after the motorcycle accident. originally, when I was a kid, she told us she left him because the accident which damaged his brain caused him to become irrational, an alcoholic, and impossible to be around. now, she claims that he cheated on her when I was about a year old and the accident was after we had already moved out.

    insert your own opinions about whether she should have stuck it out and tried to make things work. I can't say how any of that would have turned out, it's way too late.

    anyway, my brother recently went to his house. it had been a very long time since we had even seen him once. we used to stay over his house up until age 10, when we just didn't want to be around him any longer. he was certainly weird, and he was also clearly very poor as evidenced by the amount of baseball hats he garbage picked and left on his sofa, as well as the occasional trip to look for aluminum cans to recycle. it's pretty sad to think that this is a guy who used to build great things. he was what was known as a "fabricator," a job that isn't really done anymore. he had thousands of dollars in tools, and he worked on his bikes as a hobby, the one we are most familiar with being a harley with honda forks (the front end of a large chopper type motorcycle). I can only imagine what we might have learned from him if he had been our dad for more than a few days out of our lives.

    we had been told that he wanted to give us one of his motorcycles, that he felt he owed us something. we were interested but never heard anything about it, and forgot. a few years afterward, we were told about how the roof on the garage collapsed and that some other relatives were going to help clean up the damage, so we decided we would try to help out, maybe get a chance at digging up some buried treasure in the form of a super badass chopper like in easy rider.

    turns out he's some kind of hoarder now. when we used to visit his house as kids it was kept clean. now there's garbage piled on all the counter tops, thrown into a spare room. I have no idea what happened to him. he just kinda went on surviving I guess, but he doesn't appear to have much to live for. I can't imagine ever getting to that point and I can't exactly say how he ended up that way, I can only guess.

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    A very poignant story. I am sure that he is glad to see you. As for your Mother's changing stories? I really hope I am not out of line here, and if I am tell me and I'll delete the comment. However, women changing the stories and having excuses which blame the man are an old tactic, and points to them covering something up in their own behaviour. Personally, the only motorcycle accident I ever had, was when I was in a state dealing with my ex wife's cheating. I should never have been on the bike when I was so messed up emotionally and distracted.

    Men cheat, and maybe it is as she said, but I would not buy her version of events just because she is your Mother. Something to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowlearner View Post
    A very poignant story. I am sure that he is glad to see you. As for your Mother's changing stories? I really hope I am not out of line here, and if I am tell me and I'll delete the comment. However, women changing the stories and having excuses which blame the man are an old tactic, and points to them covering something up in their own behaviour. Personally, the only motorcycle accident I ever had, was when I was in a state dealing with my ex wife's cheating. I should never have been on the bike when I was so messed up emotionally and distracted.

    Men cheat, and maybe it is as she said, but I would not buy her version of events just because she is your Mother. Something to think about.
    I try not to be an awalt kind of guy, but when it's someone's own mom, it's more critical to accept the bitter pill of truth. all women really tend to be like that. I don't like it, but I would rather accept reality than delude myself.

    I can never really be sure of the truth at this point, but that is because it is buried behind such a massive mountain of lies, disinformation, and clouded memories. lately it actually seems like mom is becoming more delusional as she gets closer to 60. dementia is just a natural result of aging, on top of the fact that she has had a pretty storied and complicated life. including my dad, she has had 6 kids by 4 different guys. feminism is a family killer.

    I don't really hate my mom, and I can point to a few positive things she gave us. she put herself through school after leaving dad so we would have food to eat and a roof over our heads. she also exposed us to a lot of objectively great music and movies, and she shared her sense of humor with us. but she has made a lot of mistakes as well, mistakes I could ignore when I was young and naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jso View Post
    I try not to be an awalt kind of guy, but when it's someone's own mom, it's more critical to accept the bitter pill of truth. all women really tend to be like that. I don't like it, but I would rather accept reality than delude myself.

    I can never really be sure of the truth at this point, but that is because it is buried behind such a massive mountain of lies, disinformation, and clouded memories. lately it actually seems like mom is becoming more delusional as she gets closer to 60. dementia is just a natural result of aging, on top of the fact that she has had a pretty storied and complicated life. including my dad, she has had 6 kids by 4 different guys. feminism is a family killer.

    I don't really hate my mom, and I can point to a few positive things she gave us. she put herself through school after leaving dad so we would have food to eat and a roof over our heads. she also exposed us to a lot of objectively great music and movies, and she shared her sense of humor with us. but she has made a lot of mistakes as well, mistakes I could ignore when I was young and naive.
    Wow 4 kids with 6 different guys? I don't mean any disrespect, but that really jumped out at me when I read it. I can't imagine the amount of crap you've had to put up with over the years with different step dads and what not. That just sounds like it would have to be a rough childhood. You speak the truth brother, feminism is a family killer, plain and simple.

    All this gay marriage crap is hitting the headlines again lately. And I was just getting to thinking about how society is being completely flipped around. They are making it so hard for any man to get married to a woman and be a in a stable relationship (she gets incentives like crazy to leave his ass), where as they are literally bending over backwards to try and promote people into gay relationships. I have to laugh though...because no matter what any of these Gay activist twits say, their issue is with nature and God, if the species were meant to reproduce between same sex partners there would be no problems. But with their heads in the sand they march forward saying "fuck you nature!" LOL, all the while not realizing the Family Court Industry licking it's chops as they eye a whole nother market to leech off of. Sorry for getting off topic.

    And yes it is pretty tragic to see what happened to your dad. He is what I imagine thousands of men across the Western world have become after cupcake decided she didn't need him anymore and could use the state to boot him out forever, while at the same time extracting wealth from him along with his soul, pride, and hope.

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    Wow 4 kids with 6 different guys? I don't mean any disrespect, but that really jumped out at me when I read it. I can't imagine the amount of crap you've had to put up with over the years with different step dads and what not. That just sounds like it would have to be a rough childhood.
    normally that would be safe to assume, but this does deserve some clarification since I have to assume it's outside the norm:

    we had 3 older sisters who had all moved out by the time we were about 4 years old or something. me and my twin brother (my twin brother and I?) were next, and aside from the short blip on the radar for our sister at age 7, we had the entire house to ourselves.

    it was lonely as shit, on top of us both being naturally introverted nerds compounded by a lack of proper guidance. when mom wasn't at work, she was taking mid day naps or getting normal sleep, or going out with her skag friends with those long fake nails that dug into my neck, an 80s fashion I do not miss.

    the case might be different from the usual, but I see the result as being the same: a lack of proper parenting lead to us growing up stunted in body and mind. I lived with mom until I was 26, I don't make good money, and I am still afraid of meeting new people or entering social situations I have never experienced before. it's a long hard road out of hell, but at least I am not still IN hell.

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    Your Dad could be messed up from his accident, whatever event transpired between himself and your Mom or maybe he's just like that. This is just the reality of life. Question, do you ever just hang out with your father or just go to a movie or out for breakfast? These might be good simple things to do to kind of keep connected with your Dad. It might also help keep him anchored to a more normal life. Sometimes men who lose all connection just drift away into their own world like an untied boat drifts away from shore.

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    I'm not sure what to say? Only thing I can relate is the experience of a long time friend, who hadn't seen or heard from his dad since he was 5. Contact wasn't renewed until my friend reached his early thirties.

    Over the years, the story of his experience...questioning, etc. evolved. I won't share what those elements are.

    Just enough to say, the older I get, the less I know... Sometimes life is a process of letting go of what we feel like we need to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jso View Post
    I don't like it, but I would rather accept reality than delude myself.
    I very much respect this and a path I have chosen for myself years ago. No matter how bad the news is. In keeping with this, I will stay within bounds with the others as well here in saying that my mother also began changing her stories regarding many things. I can see how her age at 70+ years also affects her clarity but know full well she’s been lying. I suppose to protect me. All the same, I lost trust years back and remind myself to take her stories with a grain of salt. We all make our choices.

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    a lack of proper parenting lead to us growing up stunted in body and mind. I lived with mom until I was 26, I don't make good money, and I am still afraid of meeting new people or entering social situations I have never experienced before. it's a long hard road out of hell, but at least I am not still IN hell.
    Exactly what happened to me and my sister. She ran away from home while I ran away within myself. But I had the advantage of moving into my father's ranch with his new wife thus having some healthy male bonding (responsibility, respect for others and for authority, rifle/handgun practice, working at his shop for many years, explore nature, etc.). Still a bit shy, but definitely extroverted when the situation requires it (presentations are hell, but I can do them when I have to). Good that you note that you're out of hell, I see it as a choice we make in order to move on and be happy in life.
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    I lived with mom until I was 26, I don't make good money, and I am still afraid of meeting new people
    At 26 I was married with 2 kids, stay at home wife, new house mortgage, student loans. Thought I was the pinnacle of success. lol. Didn't see the rope around my own neck till cupcake erected the gallows and pulled the lever.

    surprisingly the noose snapped, not my neck, and I'm running free.

    enjoy your freedom.

 

 

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